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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host

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and we have a very interesting show for

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you this evening

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my guest is the one and only whitley

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strieber and

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whitley is uh known for a lot of things

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um an amazing uh horror uh novel the

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wolfen

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1978 the hunger 1981 both of which were

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made into feature films um his book

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in 2004 the day after tomorrow was also

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made into a film uh

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more recently uh with dennis uh quaid

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i watched that film and i really liked

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it before i even knew that whitley had

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anything to do with that

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um in the ufo field whitley is mostly

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known

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for his i think it was a 1987

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non-fiction book communion

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which really shook things up in the ufo

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world

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the book communion has come up on this

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show a number of times

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and uh i do want to talk to him about

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that because

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uh especially when it comes to the

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allagash incident that was uh

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that story i'm wondering if he even

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part of the story um we'll be discussing

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his new book at some point tonight which

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is titled

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a new world his very popular website

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uh for a paranormal is unknown

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country.com

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and dreamland is his longtime podcast

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well um occasionally i have to do a live

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stream

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show a little differently to accommodate

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the people across the pond so tomorrow

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wednesday

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at 1 p.m for those of you on youtube

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that like to watch the live streams

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i'm going to be live with philip mantle

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at 2 p.m

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and with david dr david clarke

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from britain also at uh

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the other those of you on youtube

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and it's going to be made into a podcast

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and it will also be out as a podcast

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and our latest blog which is always made

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into an audio blog

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is over at podcastufo.com

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by charles lear it's called ufos

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contactees humanoids

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and a thorn in the side of the air force

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i kind of think the title says

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says it all there i do want to thank

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on our website so without further ado

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i'd like to welcome our guest tonight

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whitley

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welcome to the show thank you i'm glad

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to be here

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yes uh now whitley uh i have when i

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first started looking into this topic

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i uh your name came up a lot and i

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um you know just trying to find out more

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about your situation

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now i've i'm kind of a newbie on the

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block i've only been

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around this topic since i had my uh

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sighting back in 2006 so

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you know like i say i'm kind of a new

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one on this i've had the show for about

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nine years you've had your podcast

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for a long time over there um and

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uh this this topic uh means a lot to you

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starting all the way back in 19 i think

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it was 1985 or so but i want to ask you

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what was your thoughts

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about ufos say in your childhood and

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miller's two answers to the question the

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when i was a little boy i was fascinated

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by ufos by flying saucers because they

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were all over the news

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when i was a child in the early 50s

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and i go back it seems farther and

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every day if you think about it that's

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true in that case

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so we were playing spacemen and the

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oddly there was a lot of odd stuff going

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on that i was really not

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not cognizant of

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for example one lady who was interviewed

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edward conroy the reporter who wrote the

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book about me called report on communion

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lynette glasscock who lived up the

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street her son and i were close friends

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said that i used to complain about being

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taken by the spacemen

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when i was um having overnights at their

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and there's a lot of that sort of thing

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and then his father

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was involved in a what was then a very

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famous ufo incident the level in texas

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ufo incident where this object was seen

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hovering over fields near a highway

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and it caused cars including his car to

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so we boys were just obsessed with this

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however i then became a teenager and

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put all the childish stuff behind forgot

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about it entirely

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one friend who knew us back in the 70s

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have we we were in the gergie foundation

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and after our meetings at the foundation

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a group of us would come over to the

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to the apartment and just chat and kind

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of talk about things and you know what

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what we'd discussed in the meeting and

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yeah it's just a social chat

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someone brought up ufos and i reacted

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and scoffed and said let's not waste our

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time talking about that sort of

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ridiculous stuff

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that until 1985

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about ufos after i was a child

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wow wow amazing and

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so this kind of all now you had some

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yeah and i think i think where you know

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a lot of people

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question right off the bat is uh you

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know he's a great fiction writer

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is this another fiction book your your

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title in the book i think even says

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a non-fiction um but uh yeah well

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it that that question has been asked

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about 750

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000 times and 751 000.

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i mean yeah the answer is always the

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same yeah

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at this point in time and this has been

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the answer for a while now

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it's probably the most multiple

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witnessed paranormal experience

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ever there are i think um

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at least half a dozen direct witnesses

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many of them

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named witnesses who had experiences with

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the visitors at my cabin

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the afterlife revolution adds a whole

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group of experiences people had with

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anne after she passed away

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and there are yet more uh witness

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experiences

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in a new world so it's a very

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extensively witnessed event

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or series of event life events it's not

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fiction nobody can do that

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i i couldn't get all these perfectly

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ordinary normal people

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to go running around telling lies about

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having experiences at my cabin for

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example and

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these are extensive experiences edward

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conroy and raven dana and

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lori barnes among those who can be named

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very incredible experiences at the cabin

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uh josh jacques sandulescu

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has died annie gottlieb who was his

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wife at the time they had an experience

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at the cabin she's still very much alive

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these people are born witness you have

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that much witness

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and if someone wants to say well it's

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fiction

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that's what they want to say it's not

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necessarily what's true

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let me let me ask you this so i i know

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the cabin's long gone

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out of your life but has that continued

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have you checked to see if

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things have continued on there

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they have not they have not so it's just

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following this

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it has to do with me yeah it it isn't uh

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it isn't local look it isn't location

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related i know the visitors very well

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now

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and uh they are here

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and they are involved with me and um

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it's a something that i i guess i must

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have agreed to do

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between lives because i you know i could

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unless unless they j you know i just

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you know sort of when i got curious and

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you know they got uh used to me and

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we've become we're co-workers now pretty

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much

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so they let me ask you they'll go

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wherever i go even into hotels

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wow um now you've called them visitors

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a long long time is there a more

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accurate term

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at this point i want to stay ambiguous

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about it and right now the

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within the many parts of the

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uh people who think about this and work

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on it and are at the edges of

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the intelligence agency agents agent

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agency level are trying to think about

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what is it and that's

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very much my question too

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one of the ttsa guys i'll remember his

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name in a minute

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that that was saying that

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the the next step is to try to identify

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the source of all of this what is it

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what is it

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we know it's not a foreign power of any

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normal sort on this earth but that's

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all we know um

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the uh the

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question of its origin is a very open

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one at

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every single level and you know i

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there's

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materials have been studied extensively

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i participated and in fact

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had headed up some of those studies at

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southwest research institute

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and i still have some of the material

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that we found

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only it's it's inexplicable

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but does that mean it came from another

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planet no not necessarily

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and there's been some material studied

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for its some of the same

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group of materials have been studied for

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their

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uh isotopic ratios and

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they they're they're perfectly stable

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pieces of metal but the isotopic ratios

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are not only not earthly they're not

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even of this universe

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so we don't understand that we

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i think there's a parallel universe

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that's right here

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and i think that there is

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flux of between it and somebody on the

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other side

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has apparently figured out how to do

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this i think that's where

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that's my opinion now my belief no not

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my belief or opinion

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but my theory now as to where they may

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be coming from

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you know it's just as i'm sorry go ahead

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no go ahead

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no i'm saying it's just as good of

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answer as any that i've heard

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actually because um you know i'm always

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cautious to say that i

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i know what these things are for sure

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but about the visitors

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is it the same ones that i mean do you

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recognize

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um these visitors as individuals like

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maybe even with a name or anything or

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some of them no

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no there's no names in that at all

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um i don't think the grays are in that

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space

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where they have names and individual

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personalities i've had

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recently i had a long conversation with

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a man

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a lot of people are involved in this on

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the other side

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who explained to me that the grays were

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what he called

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a nesting species that they came

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they evolved out of creatures who

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were nesting creatures sort of like

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insects but not quite like that and that

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they have a

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very different sense of time a very

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different

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sense of personhood and personality

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and they don't have

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a physical language although they do

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have a written symbolic language

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i've seen it and boy i'm telling you it

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is

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extraordinary do you see some of the

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things that they write by hand

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and you would not believe how subtle

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very highly evolved

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chops of chinese or something but more

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more looking like an indonesian hand

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script not

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not a not a block letter script but

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something that one would write in hand

364
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in indonesian

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but it's ten times more subtle and more

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complex

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and the different uh the different

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depths of the lettering matter

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in terms of meaning in other words when

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when something becomes light

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and a curve starts out heavier and ends

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up lighter

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that means something about time in the

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relation

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to that word i can't un translate any of

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these words but

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uh it's been the fascinating journey

378
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because they will often show me

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uh lines of uh

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these hieroglyphs and they're

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i am not conscious of what they mean

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but then i get all kinds of fascinating

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ideas

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and it's because my some level of my

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mind that's not

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conscious does understand

387
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at least that's what they tell me and

388
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that's why i was saying why do you

389
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i was in my head i was talking to them

390
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in my mind why do you say show me these

391
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hieroglyphs

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when i have no idea what they mean and

393
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the answer was

394
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you do it turns out it's true

395
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so is it always a couple of questions

396
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here is it always

397
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um telepathy and a and then

398
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do they have any emotions well first of

399
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all

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uh the what i was just describing are

401
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not

402
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physical objects but they are electronic

403
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uh

404
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you they're they're visible in the to

405
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the naked eye

406
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and they can be turned off and turned on

407
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like a light and

408
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there's some kind of electronic field

409
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uh that that creates them but you

410
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you know if you were in the house you'd

411
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see them too they're not they're not

412
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but a lot of the communication is

413
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subliminal in the sense that

414
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i will see something like that and even

415
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though i'm not conscious of any

416
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i have not the slightest idea what it

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means

418
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then i have ideas that are

419
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apparently connected with it so as i

420
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said before on some level i do know what

421
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it means

422
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um do they have emotions

423
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oh yeah you know the but it's not like

424
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us

425
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you know the some of the taller more

426
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complex greys who are

427
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probably like uh queen bees or something

428
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would be a very rich complex

429
00:17:30,830 --> 00:17:28,240
emotional beings but there is something

430
00:17:34,310 --> 00:17:30,840
more important which is an

431
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overall kind of if you will a holistic

432
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emotional presence that you need to in

433
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order to

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understand where they are with you you

435
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have to

436
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not so much be concentrating on

437
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individuals

438
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but be concentrating on this overall

439
00:17:52,710 --> 00:17:48,720
presence

440
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and it has gone in my life

441
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from initial indifference

442
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to interest

443
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to more than a little fear of me

444
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and to what it is now which is a very

445
00:18:18,630 --> 00:18:14,000
calm

446
00:18:20,950 --> 00:18:18,640
friendly relationship

447
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we're predators and so are they and we

448
00:18:25,110 --> 00:18:21,679
both know

449
00:18:29,669 --> 00:18:25,120
what we do it's not a secret between us

450
00:18:31,750 --> 00:18:29,679
and um we do perhaps a bit of circling

451
00:18:33,190 --> 00:18:31,760
you know like two different species of

452
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predator might

453
00:18:37,029 --> 00:18:35,440
but predators don't eat other predators

454
00:18:39,110 --> 00:18:37,039
they eat prey

455
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so i don't feel threatened by them at

456
00:18:44,549 --> 00:18:40,240
all

457
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i do know some things about

458
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people who are not

459
00:18:51,909 --> 00:18:49,520
or who are more vulnerable to them

460
00:18:55,909 --> 00:18:51,919
though and um

461
00:18:59,669 --> 00:18:55,919
that's something that does concern me

462
00:19:02,070 --> 00:18:59,679
for sure now why would you suppose

463
00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:02,080
wherever they're from that they have an

464
00:19:06,549 --> 00:19:03,120
interest

465
00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:06,559
in us and in particular um

466
00:19:10,150 --> 00:19:09,360
why they choose the people you know i've

467
00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:10,160
heard other people

468
00:19:14,549 --> 00:19:13,120
say not exactly your story but you know

469
00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:14,559
a similar story

470
00:19:20,630 --> 00:19:17,840
and uh of repeat visits you know repeat

471
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:20,640
there are many many layers involved in

472
00:19:27,669 --> 00:19:23,520
the choice of people that they make

473
00:19:31,590 --> 00:19:27,679
the most basic layer is it has to be

474
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a personality that is viable and they

475
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:32,480
consider that

476
00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:37,520
in other words people who are um

477
00:19:44,950 --> 00:19:41,360
uh very violent or

478
00:19:48,150 --> 00:19:44,960
have very strong opinions that

479
00:19:51,029 --> 00:19:48,160
the visitors regard as wrong

480
00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:51,039
probably are going to be left alone they

481
00:19:53,990 --> 00:19:52,000
and if you if you get

482
00:19:55,510 --> 00:19:54,000
a bunch of abductees together in the

483
00:19:58,630 --> 00:19:55,520
same room you find

484
00:19:59,909 --> 00:19:58,640
these are all very mild people you know

485
00:20:02,390 --> 00:19:59,919
they're like me i mean i'm

486
00:20:04,149 --> 00:20:02,400
i don't have much of a temper i haven't

487
00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:04,159
raised my voice

488
00:20:09,190 --> 00:20:07,200
probably 10 times in the past

489
00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:09,200
30 or 40 years i mean you know i'm very

490
00:20:13,669 --> 00:20:10,720
mild-mannered

491
00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:13,679
and uh which i i don't understand i have

492
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a lot of

493
00:20:18,789 --> 00:20:16,880
you can imagine how confusing modern

494
00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:18,799
politics is to me because people all

495
00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:20,559
screaming at each other all the time

496
00:20:24,549 --> 00:20:23,280
it just makes no sense it's it's like

497
00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:24,559
watching

498
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:27,120
beings from another planet to watch our

499
00:20:32,950 --> 00:20:29,120
my own american

500
00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:32,960
compatriots yeah so in

501
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any case uh

502
00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:39,520
that's one level there has to be a level

503
00:20:42,390 --> 00:20:40,640
of intelligence

504
00:20:44,149 --> 00:20:42,400
and they prefer people who are

505
00:20:47,669 --> 00:20:44,159
intelligent but not

506
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:47,679
highly educated and that's because

507
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if you if you have a high level of

508
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:50,720
education

509
00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:52,320
you're not going they're not going to be

510
00:20:54,789 --> 00:20:53,840
able to break through to you i mean this

511
00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:54,799
is people they want

512
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if these are people they want to

513
00:21:02,470 --> 00:20:58,480
interact with uh like a

514
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:02,480
perfect example uh there was a physicist

515
00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:05,280
who used to come to our cabin a lot

516
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:08,480
and he absolutely was an absolute

517
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:09,120
skeptic

518
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:12,000
he had to be because if they were real

519
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:13,200
then his entire

520
00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:17,039
world view was wrong and he had built

521
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:19,360
that up he was highly educated

522
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:21,520
and this was his his treasure this was

523
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his his intellect was his precious

524
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:25,520
treasure

525
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so we go down to the circle where the

526
00:21:30,549 --> 00:21:28,960
visitors took me up and at that point we

527
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:30,559
had a circle of stones and we're sitting

528
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there meditating together the group of

529
00:21:36,630 --> 00:21:33,360
us and

530
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:36,640
suddenly this is afternoon this

531
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:40,559
marvelously beautiful shaft of

532
00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:44,080
golden light comes down into the middle

533
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:47,600
of the circle from above it was lovely

534
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:50,480
lovely and when you looked through it at

535
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:52,159
the others sitting on the other side of

536
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the circle

537
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,480
they looked magical they looked um

538
00:22:01,510 --> 00:22:00,720
it's like their souls were very

539
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:01,520
beautiful

540
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:04,159
and you were seeing still the body but

541
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:05,760
you were seeing it

542
00:22:12,149 --> 00:22:09,200
the sense of the soul because of this

543
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:12,159
what i would describe it as holy or

544
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:14,080
sacred light

545
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:17,600
only he couldn't see it the rest of us

546
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:19,200
all could there were nine or ten people

547
00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:20,240
in the circle

548
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:23,520
including children he couldn't see it

549
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:27,440
couldn't see it then what happened

550
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:30,559
he got a horrible splitting

551
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:34,480
headache because his mind

552
00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:37,919
was fighting that that vision

553
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:41,600
so hard he could not afford

554
00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:44,640
to see it now that's a person they're

555
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:46,240
not going to bother with

556
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:53,270
then the other reason another reason is

557
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:55,600
they like they like rural areas because

558
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:56,000
it's

559
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:00,960
physical movement of people

560
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:03,760
and they can do it in a more hidden way

561
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:04,559
and they like

562
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:07,600
areas where there is a lot of flux

563
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:11,360
of um of different types of people

564
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:12,880
different dnas

565
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:15,840
different dna and different uh sexual

566
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:17,440
material and so forth

567
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:20,960
and so they'll hang out in like ex-urban

568
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,080
areas not not

569
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:24,320
in not so much in really rural areas

570
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:26,240
although that does happen

571
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:29,679
but their ideal place is a strip of

572
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:32,400
little towns near a huge city like where

573
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:34,240
i lived we were 90 miles north of new

574
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:35,039
york city

575
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:38,159
in a little town and

576
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:39,919
and people were coming back and forth

577
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:41,679
all the time and so that was

578
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:43,200
that was the kind of place they would

579
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:44,960
hang out and

580
00:23:49,830 --> 00:23:48,240
they found me largely

581
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:49,840
because they'd known me before when i

582
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:51,520
was a child

583
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:55,039
and i was doing the your g foundation

584
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:56,559
sensing exercise

585
00:24:01,269 --> 00:23:59,360
which i know now makes sure makes you

586
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:01,279
glow in a certain way that

587
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:04,720
that that they can see and so there was

588
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:06,240
this little

589
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:09,520
guy out there on weekends and 11 o'clock

590
00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:10,640
at night he would

591
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:13,760
start to go and they got interested and

592
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:18,080
came back and the whole relationship

593
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:21,200
began very violently and

594
00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:24,240
rocketly but it's not violent and rocky

595
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:25,120
now it's

596
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:28,080
working pretty good wow um i've said

597
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:28,400
this

598
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:36,320
with me in my life i don't know how

599
00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:38,960
i could function it would just it would

600
00:24:43,029 --> 00:24:39,919
take every

601
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:43,039
minute of my day obsessing over it

602
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:45,120
you know trying to figure it out i mean

603
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:46,720
that must have been difficult

604
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:49,679
but if you would can can you walk us

605
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:50,400
through

606
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:53,440
uh back in 1985 when

607
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:55,760
this just came bursting into your life

608
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:58,799
basically in the capital

609
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:01,679
it had started the summer before i did

610
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,279
not realize that

611
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:05,520
that summer that we were living at the

612
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:06,320
cabin

613
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:11,679
and every day i had a horrible headache

614
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:13,600
every day and of course it was because i

615
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:15,360
was doing the same thing

616
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:17,919
john the other the physicist was doing i

617
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:19,840
was pushing this away they were there

618
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:21,760
then but i didn't know it

619
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:25,520
and i was absolutely terrified

620
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:28,559
i bought guns alarm

621
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:30,480
systems all kinds of stuff had the

622
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:31,760
windows screwed closed

623
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:35,200
downstairs it was ridiculous i mean my

624
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:36,880
wife thought i was going nuts and she

625
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:38,799
wasn't entirely wrong

626
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:42,320
but uh because i was

627
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:44,880
full of fear in this lovely quiet

628
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:46,240
community

629
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:48,240
the you know the last crime had been

630
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:50,000
probably committed 10 years ago and it

631
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:51,200
was somebody who walked out of a

632
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:53,360
restaurant without paying

633
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:55,520
you know it was really really low grade

634
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:56,799
crime area

635
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:01,279
and um so then comes october

636
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:04,000
and the first strange thing happens

637
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:05,840
jacques sandolescu or annie and annie

638
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:07,440
got libra at the cabin

639
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:10,240
they're sleeping in the guest room

640
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:11,200
downstairs that

641
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:14,000
our son is in the room next door and and

642
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:14,799
i are in this

643
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:18,080
bedroom master bedroom upstairs and

644
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:20,640
suddenly at like

645
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:22,159
four o'clock in the three o'clock in the

646
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:24,080
morning the entire

647
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:26,720
cabin is filled with bright light it's a

648
00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:27,520
foggy

649
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:30,799
night very dark outside bright

650
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:33,200
light i mean it just was streaming in

651
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:34,880
the windows like the middle of a

652
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:38,720
bright sunny day and i thought holy

653
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:41,360
god the place the roof's on fire because

654
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:42,799
the

655
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:44,480
wood stove had been going and i thought

656
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:47,200
it had maybe set the roof on fire

657
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:50,480
so i jumped out of bed then oh there and

658
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:52,159
as i jumped out of bed

659
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:55,520
there came from outside a huge

660
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,720
bang an explosion and then it became

661
00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:00,720
totally dark

662
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:03,279
and i then my son woke up and he was

663
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:04,240
screaming

664
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:07,520
he was seven seven years old

665
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:10,720
and um i went downstairs

666
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:13,200
jacques and nanny were both awake and i

667
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:14,559
said they were coming out of their room

668
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:16,880
and i said don't worry it's okay

669
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:19,679
there's no fire and i went into my son's

670
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:21,760
room and comforted him

671
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:23,279
and the next morning we barely even

672
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:25,360
talked about it

673
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:29,760
but then later in december of that year

674
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:34,240
i had a hell of an experience

675
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:37,279
i did not know what had happened to me i

676
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:38,880
the the morning after it happened

677
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:41,039
december 26 i

678
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:44,240
i thought i remembered seeing an owl in

679
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:45,760
the house and then i decided well it

680
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:46,799
couldn't have been in the house it must

681
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:48,720
have been at the window

682
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:50,399
and i in the evening i went up and

683
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:52,000
looked at the window but see this

684
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:54,399
there must be out tracks or marks on

685
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:55,039
this

686
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:57,520
in the snow on the windowsill and there

687
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:59,039
were none

688
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:00,720
and that began a long period of

689
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:03,520
wondering am i going insane

690
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:08,080
or is uh this uh criminal activity

691
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:11,120
you know what has happened to me it took

692
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:13,039
a while

693
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:16,480
like weeks for the ufo

694
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:18,960
idea to pop into my head and it came

695
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:20,799
along when my brother

696
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:23,840
had sent me a jenny randall's book

697
00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:26,080
called science in the ufos

698
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:29,360
for christmas and he was sort of

699
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:31,440
interested in that stuff i you know i

700
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,880
love my brother but at the time i

701
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:34,799
thought it was a fairly kooky

702
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:38,480
interest and

703
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:41,120
so i began to read the book and i and at

704
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:42,880
the same time i was writing a story

705
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:45,279
short story called pain because i had

706
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:46,240
remembered what

707
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:49,520
felt like some kind of sexual domination

708
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:50,960
almost and i

709
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:53,760
had never had an understanding of that

710
00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:55,360
in my life and it wasn't part of my

711
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:57,039
personality

712
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:59,200
but i so i was trying to kind of explore

713
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:01,279
these strange feelings this way in this

714
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,880
short story

715
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:04,480
and i was reading the book at the same

716
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:06,080
time and you can tell when i got to the

717
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:07,520
part about

718
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:09,360
ufo abductions in the book because all

719
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:10,720
of a sudden the short stories got all

720
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:13,360
this ufo stuff in it that shows up

721
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:17,440
and um uh

722
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:19,120
bud hopkins was mentioned in the book

723
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:21,039
and i was reading along and i thought my

724
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:22,480
god

725
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:25,200
that's what happened to me when the his

726
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:27,120
descript the description of abductions

727
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:28,559
came up

728
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:31,760
and i um

729
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:35,440
uh i thought this is ridiculous it's

730
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:40,880
this absurd thing it happened to me

731
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:42,720
and so anne said well why don't we meet

732
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:44,559
this man he's living he lived right in

733
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:46,799
new york right down the street and

734
00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:49,840
two my half a mile from us

735
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:52,880
so we met him and that was when things

736
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:54,080
began to coalesce

737
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:57,919
in my mind he wanted to hypnotize me but

738
00:30:01,190 --> 00:30:00,080
i'm not going to be hypnotized by

739
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:01,200
someone who's not a licensed

740
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,799
professional

741
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:04,799
so he proceeds to get in touch me in

742
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:05,840
touch with

743
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:07,679
dr donald klein who was the head of the

744
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:10,159
new york state department of psychiatry

745
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:12,399
and the forensic hypnosis one of the one

746
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:15,120
of the most notable ones in the world

747
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:17,279
and if you think forensic hypno hypnosis

748
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:19,440
is is ridiculous forget it it

749
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:22,799
works well he had this he had solved

750
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:25,679
something like 70 cases a lot of them

751
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:26,320
things like

752
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:29,360
uh hit and run auto accidents at that

753
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:30,880
point in his career

754
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:32,720
by helping people remember things like

755
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:34,000
license numbers

756
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:36,880
so he knew what he was doing and i

757
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:38,240
trusted him

758
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:41,039
he was one of the best in the business

759
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:41,440
and

760
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:45,039
um i'm telling you

761
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:47,360
those two hypnosis sessions are still to

762
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:50,000
this day on my website

763
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:53,919
and they were it was shocking

764
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:55,679
you mean the recording of them the

765
00:31:01,509 --> 00:30:57,120
recordings yeah

766
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:05,669
and afterwards it didn't take too long

767
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:09,039
i got curious and i said to anne

768
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:12,000
i think they were aliens and she said

769
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:13,600
well why do you think there were aliens

770
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:15,039
i said because

771
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:17,679
i mean they look like giant insects and

772
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:18,799
they had weird stuff

773
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:20,240
and they did weird things to me and i

774
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:23,919
was i think i was in a flying saucer

775
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:31,430
and then it occurred to me that if i was

776
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:32,240
going to go

777
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:36,159
anywhere with this i had to re-engage

778
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:36,799
with them

779
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:40,960
if i could and i started walking out

780
00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:44,080
into the woods at night

781
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:45,919
and she said are you sure you want to do

782
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:47,360
this because she'd

783
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:49,200
been heard the hypnosis sessions and

784
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:50,480
everything she said

785
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:52,960
quickly you were in trouble uh i'm glad

786
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:55,679
i still have you to be honest

787
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:58,399
and i said well honey i can't not do it

788
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:00,240
i have to do it

789
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:03,360
the first night walking out alone

790
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:06,880
in the woods at 11 o'clock at night

791
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:10,080
i couldn't get any farther than the edge

792
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:11,039
of the grass

793
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:14,240
of the yard and putting one foot in

794
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:16,000
front of the other

795
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,000
i think it was would have been easier to

796
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:20,640
walk up a gallows

797
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:22,559
that's when it started that's the

798
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:29,190
wow amazing now uh

799
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:31,600
what compelled you to write your book

800
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:33,440
and when did you write it

801
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:36,720
communion i started it

802
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:39,840
let's see i wrote pain first and at some

803
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:40,799
point

804
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:43,279
during this period and said to me

805
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:44,000
quickly this

806
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:47,279
could be a a wonderful book and i

807
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:48,799
thought yeah that's right it's a

808
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:50,559
fascinating story

809
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,320
at the time we were out completely

810
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:56,640
outside of any ufo community we didn't

811
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:57,760
know what it was

812
00:33:00,870 --> 00:33:00,240
what it was like that there were people

813
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:00,880
in it

814
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:02,640
anything we knew nothing whatsoever

815
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:04,880
about it

816
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:10,950
i thought it would be interesting to

817
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:12,240
sort of write it down

818
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:15,200
and see what it looked like and it kind

819
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:17,679
of turned into a book

820
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:21,200
i began to really get into it and

821
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:25,360
it was a very big incredible experience

822
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:27,200
and i realized that

823
00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:35,909
i have a responsibility to do this

824
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:37,919
you know i looking back i was getting

825
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:39,600
ready to go into politics i had just

826
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:41,919
published a book called war day

827
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:44,480
i had loads of political connections

828
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:46,720
from my family in texas

829
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,799
i could have definitely gone into

830
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:50,880
politics in a big way and i was planning

831
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:51,760
to

832
00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:58,000
i do not know whether that would have

833
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:00,320
been the better decision

834
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:03,120
or not because when i see the political

835
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:04,960
situation now

836
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:08,000
i think to myself could i have helped

837
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:13,669
could my presence in the political world

838
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:14,480
have been

839
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:17,919
good for the country stabilizing

840
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:21,040
and you know this

841
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:23,839
my personality type is ideally suited to

842
00:34:29,349 --> 00:34:25,520
negotiation

843
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:29,359
i'm i'm very good at that kind of thing

844
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:30,320
and i'm

845
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:33,599
i'm not passionate but i am in

846
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:36,720
i am intense and i have a clear

847
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:39,599
moral compass so i might have wasted my

848
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:41,839
life here i'm not sure

849
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:46,720
but i have however

850
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:50,000
opened up a door in many

851
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:52,480
many people because that you that

852
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:54,560
communion face

853
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:57,520
yeah that face can you grab that

854
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:58,160
painting

855
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:00,880
yeah i've got it before the show yeah

856
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:02,880
and this is for the people at youtube

857
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:05,359
but uh if you're familiar with it uh

858
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:06,800
check this out

859
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:08,960
that's the original artwork the original

860
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:10,720
artwork from

861
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:13,920
the cover of communion and i had i

862
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:16,400
sat side by side with the artist that's

863
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:17,440
what i wanted to find out

864
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:20,720
wow yeah and got him to paint this just

865
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:22,720
and it the head's a little different

866
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:24,800
it's not as big as it was

867
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:28,480
in real life but the sense of power

868
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:32,480
and the the expression the little

869
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:35,920
smile it's this is a right painting in a

870
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:37,520
lot of ways

871
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:39,599
yeah and and i want to talk about that

872
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:41,119
you you may have known

873
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:45,599
this whitley but um that picture alone

874
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:49,040
has really created a lot of uh

875
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:52,640
well a lot of uh

876
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:56,160
things have changed because of that

877
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:57,440
that picture has changed the world

878
00:36:02,470 --> 00:35:59,599
undoubtedly i want to ask you this

879
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:02,480
were you aware of jim weiner from the

880
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:04,640
allagash incident were you aware of his

881
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:06,240
story

882
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:08,560
no i'm aware of the allagash incident

883
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:10,720
being

884
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:14,880
incident you know a multiple witnessed

885
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:15,520
one that's

886
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:18,160
that has a lot of credibility but i'm

887
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:20,000
not aware of it in detail no

888
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:22,079
well i'd like to tell you something

889
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:23,440
because i think this will really

890
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:24,800
interest you

891
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:28,000
so i spoke with uh jim weiner and uh

892
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:31,839
charlie uh chuck fultz that is but um

893
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:33,680
i talked to jim weiner directly about

894
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:35,680
the allagash incident he walked me all

895
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:37,119
the way through it

896
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:40,480
and um he had 10 years or so went by

897
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:42,400
after the incident

898
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:45,280
they had no clue what happened to them

899
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:46,079
they

900
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:49,440
it was complete memory loss jim

901
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:51,280
weiner was working on a construction

902
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:52,720
site in a home

903
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,599
and the floor and the claw in a closet

904
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:57,359
was not there it was taken out and he

905
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:58,240
didn't know it

906
00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:00,960
he walked into a closet and bam he fell

907
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:02,480
down into the basement

908
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:04,960
and had all types of medical issues he

909
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:05,680
was

910
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:09,599
in a hospital for um i think he said

911
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:11,839
several months but i know exactly how

912
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:14,400
many it was touch and go for a long time

913
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:18,400
uh one day um they were coming around

914
00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:22,240
a cart with books and

915
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:25,760
on the cart was communion he looked down

916
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:28,880
at that book and flipped out

917
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:31,760
oh wow the memory came all back to him

918
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:33,520
now he may be someone i can connect you

919
00:37:35,829 --> 00:37:34,160
with him

920
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:35,839
if you want him on yeah i looked at him

921
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:37,760
on my show yeah on dreamland

922
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:40,480
but he just the all the memory came

923
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:42,320
forth because of the picture

924
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:45,440
on your book he's he recognized

925
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:47,920
that that's what he saw he was having

926
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:49,520
nightmares and dreams and so was

927
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:50,000
everybody

928
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:52,640
else and as soon as he saw that it all

929
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:54,480
clicked into place

930
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:57,599
wow that's incredible i never knew that

931
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:58,800
before

932
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:01,119
really i mean i'm so single-minded i'm

933
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:02,800
an obsessive i

934
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:04,880
i you know when i'm writing a book i'm

935
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:06,480
i'm on that and

936
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:09,760
i do my show and i have a tendency to be

937
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:10,640
a little bit

938
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:13,920
have blinders on because i'm very very

939
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:16,160
heavily involved with the visitors

940
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:19,280
and i you know i'm i meditated

941
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:21,359
with them at 11 and very much more

942
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:22,800
intensively at three o'clock in the

943
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:23,920
morning

944
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:27,680
every night and uh it's just very

945
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:28,720
involving

946
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:37,200
to to do things that you know that

947
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:40,400
that are useful and and valuable

948
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:42,320
and that you know they won't they're

949
00:38:45,910 --> 00:38:44,079
never going to

950
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:45,920
say you should do this or you should do

951
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:47,200
that

952
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:51,200
is

953
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:54,400
good they will they really pitch in and

954
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:57,119
it becomes incredibly fascinating i just

955
00:39:01,910 --> 00:38:58,160
finished a book called

956
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:01,920
jesus a new vision which is about

957
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:08,710
uh unlike anything that's ever been

958
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:09,200
written

959
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:12,160
before it doesn't claim he's an alien or

960
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:14,079
anything like that

961
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:17,680
but i was helped by

962
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:20,880
people who have certain knowledge

963
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:23,920
of what happened historically

964
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:26,880
and boy you never really will read

965
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:28,320
anything like it it should be out

966
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:33,910
so that and other things i'll write

967
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:35,040
other things and they have

968
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:38,320
no interest in them whatsoever and so

969
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:40,560
yeah we're getting a lot of questions in

970
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:42,240
the in the chat and every once in a

971
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:44,240
while i'll pop one up

972
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:48,240
and this gentleman right here whoops

973
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:51,440
willie you're gone what happened

974
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:55,520
oh he just absolutely went away

975
00:40:02,710 --> 00:39:59,359
ah boy all right so uh

976
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:02,720
let's see what we can do here uh really

977
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:04,480
nothing i can do on my side

978
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:10,079
i'm just hoping he checks back in

979
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:16,470
all right uh hey bill i'm gonna bring

980
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:18,560
you in bill uh

981
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:21,680
you there yes i am yeah bill i don't

982
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:24,319
know what happened to whitley and uh

983
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:27,599
it's a very awkward way for me to try to

984
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:28,960
reach him i have to reach him through

985
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:31,280
his publicist i don't have a direct

986
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:32,960
i'm sending him a message right now on

987
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:34,319
skype so we'll work on that in the

988
00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:35,119
meantime

989
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:37,119
yeah um i don't know if his internet

990
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:38,480
went out um

991
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:41,440
we've had that happen before in the show

992
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:42,000
so

993
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:43,440
yeah that happened a few weeks ago

994
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:45,520
actually yeah yeah

995
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:48,400
but uh uh interesting conversation and

996
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:49,839
i'm sorry i haven't been able to get to

997
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:50,319
the

998
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:56,160
let's see we're still waiting for him to

999
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:56,960
come in

1000
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:59,119
the one the one thing i'm curious when

1001
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:01,599
they made the film communion

1002
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:05,280
i wonder if he had any opinion or

1003
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:08,000
input on who would portray him

1004
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:10,560
christopher walken obviously was chosen

1005
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:13,280
yeah but i i just wonder if he if he had

1006
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:14,160
any kind of

1007
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:16,480
a role in deciding who would be the

1008
00:41:19,829 --> 00:41:18,000
actor portraying they had to have got an

1009
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:19,839
opinion from him

1010
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:23,280
yeah i mean oh here he is oh good

1011
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,510
you're back yes i did i give offense

1012
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:33,599
what happened i was going to ask you the

1013
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:35,040
same question come on

1014
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:36,480
i was going to ask you the same question

1015
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:38,000
all of a sudden you're gone no it just

1016
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:38,560
was

1017
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:41,040
suddenly gone the screen the whole thing

1018
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:41,839
was gone

1019
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:44,160
just like that no men in black showed up

1020
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:45,839
at your door or anything huh

1021
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:47,920
no they didn't they're outside with some

1022
00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:49,440
little machine screwing with

1023
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:52,720
with the computer yeah yeah

1024
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:54,640
no uh well glad to have you back i was

1025
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:56,319
going to say i was just saying

1026
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:58,079
actually um you know there's a lot of

1027
00:42:01,589 --> 00:42:00,160
people posting questions i can't get

1028
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:01,599
uh to them because the way the

1029
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:03,359
conversation's going along here but

1030
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:04,960
here's one i'll pop up you can see it on

1031
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:06,960
the screen um

1032
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:10,160
so um lou is a guy's name here okay

1033
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:12,079
that's a good question uh he talks to

1034
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:13,920
them every night about what

1035
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:17,200
well a lot of things uh

1036
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:18,800
they're interested in the survival of

1037
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:20,240
this species they

1038
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:23,440
they want us to survive and so

1039
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:28,000
there's a lot of give and take about

1040
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:31,280
why we apparently are not going to do

1041
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:32,240
that

1042
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:35,280
they don't think and there's been a lot

1043
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:35,680
of

1044
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:42,400
and lately i've been trying to get them

1045
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:43,760
to interested in writing

1046
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:45,520
helping me work on a screenplay i've

1047
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:46,960
been writing and

1048
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:48,720
so far they've sort of been interested

1049
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:50,319
but they're that weren't nearly as

1050
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:50,880
intense

1051
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:52,319
as they have been about the two books

1052
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:54,160
the three books uh

1053
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:57,280
they were very intense about afterlife

1054
00:43:02,390 --> 00:42:58,720
revolution

1055
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:02,400
and super intense about a new world

1056
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:06,000
that book they were just blazing about i

1057
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:06,400
mean

1058
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:09,760
they were it was really they had

1059
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:11,680
they kept giving me deadlines of

1060
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:12,880
september the 15th

1061
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:15,440
october the 15th november the 15th of

1062
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:16,880
2019

1063
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:20,160
and then i was told

1064
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:23,280
do not miss the last deadline

1065
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:26,480
and i thought to myself if i did miss

1066
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:26,720
the

1067
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:30,720
happen and i decided

1068
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:33,920
why don't you not find that out i made

1069
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:35,680
the last deadline

1070
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:37,680
now with this new book the deadlines are

1071
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:38,720
not so strong

1072
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:41,760
it's but they but what it has been

1073
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:44,240
is that there has been what will happen

1074
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:44,800
is

1075
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:48,800
i'll get material

1076
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:52,880
uh and then i have to dig into

1077
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:56,400
the existing scholarship to see

1078
00:44:03,190 --> 00:43:59,760
if i can confirm it in some way

1079
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:03,200
and i i pretty much re

1080
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,880
re-learned my college greek i took greek

1081
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:08,720
and latin in college

1082
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:12,160
and in high school i i didn't

1083
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:15,760
take much greek but and so i

1084
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:18,960
was able to read a lot of the

1085
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:22,240
the authors the church fathers and

1086
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:24,240
the gospels and the apocrypha and so

1087
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:25,280
forth

1088
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,880
that are in that were originally in

1089
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:28,640
greek in the original language and that

1090
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:30,640
helped that's helpful because it

1091
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:33,520
there's a lot like the king james

1092
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:34,960
version of the bible

1093
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:37,119
and therefore versions that flowed from

1094
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:38,160
it

1095
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:43,750
from the vernacular bible from the latin

1096
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:45,119
bible

1097
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:48,400
not the greek and that's

1098
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:50,640
very important because the different

1099
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:52,000
words

1100
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:56,000
like in the latin bible in john

1101
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:58,240
when it says in the beginning was the

1102
00:45:21,829 --> 00:44:59,200
word

1103
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:21,839
easily be in the beginning was harmony

1104
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:24,800
and harmony was with god and harmony was

1105
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:25,920
god

1106
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:29,440
see the difference that so that's the

1107
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:30,960
sort of thing i've been working on

1108
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:34,000
that's the answer to this question

1109
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:38,400
i see okay um as far as

1110
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:41,839
time are you ever have you ever

1111
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:44,160
asked them questions like how long have

1112
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:45,680
you been

1113
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:47,359
doing what you're doing how long have

1114
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:49,280
you been visiting people

1115
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:57,270
the abductions in the 1960s and ending

1116
00:46:01,750 --> 00:45:58,000
them in

1117
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:01,760
i think 1995 or shortly

1118
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:04,960
yeah or i think maybe it was 93. anyway

1119
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:08,560
they it was a program and i i haven't

1120
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:10,480
been able to get a very clear

1121
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:14,880
idea of what it was about but i think

1122
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:18,240
it had to do with

1123
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:23,680
two things one is they want to use

1124
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:27,200
our dna in some ways and sexual material

1125
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,720
i think they had a

1126
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:30,400
program i think pretty sure they had a

1127
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:32,720
program of hybridization i'm pretty sure

1128
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:34,240
it failed

1129
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:37,359
um to try to make a species that was

1130
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:38,319
part

1131
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:44,000
about the grays now and

1132
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:47,520
i think that's a kind of uh

1133
00:46:54,829 --> 00:46:51,680
seed seed bank

1134
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:54,839
that they have tried to create

1135
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:58,319
a a genetic

1136
00:47:02,309 --> 00:47:01,680
model of us because to be honest with

1137
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:02,319
you

1138
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:03,760
i don't think they think we're going to

1139
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,359
survive

1140
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:06,960
yeah i did want to talk to you about

1141
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:09,200
that because

1142
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:12,400
over and over again you hear the opinion

1143
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:16,319
that there is telepathy messages

1144
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:19,359
take care of your planet yeah

1145
00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:21,920
and that's where they started with me

1146
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:22,400
yeah

1147
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:24,079
i know you mentioned something about a

1148
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:25,839
stick they hit you with a stick or

1149
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:26,640
something and

1150
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:29,520
oh god you had these thoughts that was

1151
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:30,240
that was

1152
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:34,720
way back in in uh october of 85

1153
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:38,000
this is a little electric thing that

1154
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:39,920
struck me in the forehead with and i saw

1155
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:42,720
them i saw

1156
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:45,839
my son die i saw the moon

1157
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:50,400
of the earth on fire

1158
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:54,319
and now my son is a young man and

1159
00:48:01,670 --> 00:48:01,349
yeah they've said a lot of things to me

1160
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:01,680
that

1161
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:03,839
a lot people mostly don't like to hear

1162
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:05,040
and

1163
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:08,160
i don't talk about them much so i

1164
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:09,440
understand

1165
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:11,760
you know nobody believes it's real

1166
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:12,800
nobody believes

1167
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:14,640
i mean there are a lot of people who are

1168
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:16,160
concerned about the environment but i

1169
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:19,119
don't think anyone really understands

1170
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:22,880
the clock uh yeah

1171
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:25,440
okay here's the one i see in your chat

1172
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:26,160
uh

1173
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:28,240
if there are more advanced than us why

1174
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:29,839
would they be interested in us

1175
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:31,760
shall i answer that because i can uh

1176
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:34,079
sure i can i'll try to pull that up but

1177
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:35,200
um

1178
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:37,680
i don't see it right here but go ahead

1179
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:38,240
okay well

1180
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:40,319
i assure you it's there i can because

1181
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:41,359
i'm reading it

1182
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:43,440
all right there's a very specific and

1183
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:45,599
clear answer to that question

1184
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:49,599
um it comes from two scientists who i

1185
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:51,920
to my knowledge knew nothing about the

1186
00:48:57,470 --> 00:48:54,000
visitors

1187
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:57,480
it was an article published in the april

1188
00:49:02,309 --> 00:48:58,640
1977

1189
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:02,319
issue of the magazine science by

1190
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:04,400
it was just a brief comment more than an

1191
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:05,599
article by

1192
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:09,200
two two scientists uh two physicists dbh

1193
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:10,480
kuiper

1194
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:13,599
uh and uh mark morris

1195
00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:17,520
speculating that if an advanced species

1196
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:18,559
were to come here

1197
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:20,160
from wherever they might come from

1198
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:21,680
another planet or

1199
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:23,280
from some other dimension as we were

1200
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:25,359
discussing earlier

1201
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:27,280
they would do two things when they would

1202
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:28,960
immediately they would keep themselves

1203
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:31,680
hidden because they could have only one

1204
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:34,000
reason for wanting to be here

1205
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:37,119
and that would be they would want to

1206
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:40,000
experience something new because if they

1207
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:42,160
could get here at all

1208
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:44,640
it would mean that they had an

1209
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:45,599
absolutely

1210
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:49,440
vast experience of the universe

1211
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:53,680
so they would hide so that we did not

1212
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:56,720
experience cultural colonization because

1213
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:59,280
right now if they showed up

1214
00:50:02,390 --> 00:50:01,040
we would immediately drop everything and

1215
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:02,400
turn toward them

1216
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:06,160
the same way when uh uh

1217
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:08,640
europeans with advanced technology

1218
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:10,400
showed up in

1219
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:14,079
in uh native societies around the world

1220
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:15,760
the native societies essentially

1221
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:17,119
imploded

1222
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:18,640
and you know they became interested in

1223
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:21,359
getting pots and pans and

1224
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:22,880
they lost interest in their gods and

1225
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:24,400
their own

1226
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:27,680
inner exploration and everything right

1227
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:30,240
they're gradually coming back but it was

1228
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:31,760
an overwhelming shock and they don't

1229
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:34,400
want to shock us that way

1230
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:36,640
and so that's the answer as to why

1231
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:38,240
they're here they're here

1232
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:41,200
to experience the new and that i think

1233
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:42,400
they're in a conundrum

1234
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:46,480
too because if they come out

1235
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:49,359
then they lose their reason for being

1236
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:50,160
here

1237
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:52,880
but if they don't come out i think we go

1238
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:54,160
extinct

1239
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:56,720
i think that's pretty much where we are

1240
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:58,319
yeah because

1241
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:01,920
nobody believes

1242
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:04,319
what's happening at least nobody in

1243
00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:05,760
power does

1244
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:07,599
if if obama had believed it he would

1245
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:09,599
have a very different approach to the

1246
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:11,680
environment in his presidency

1247
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:13,920
so would all of the presidents prior to

1248
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:14,960
that

1249
00:51:20,069 --> 00:51:17,280
and now we have a president who's

1250
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:20,079
actively denies this reality

1251
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:22,000
so we're going nowhere fast in this

1252
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:23,520
country and it's the same around the

1253
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:25,040
world

1254
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:28,400
the best countries are barely responding

1255
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:30,000
to it

1256
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:32,480
and not only that i don't think we

1257
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:33,520
really know how

1258
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:35,200
because we haven't studied it carefully

1259
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:37,359
enough yet they say oh we

1260
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:40,079
have to cut back on carbon dioxide

1261
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:42,559
emissions

1262
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:45,760
but will that help and how

1263
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:49,200
what back in what way how much when

1264
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:52,000
have we gone too far that's the that's

1265
00:51:54,309 --> 00:51:52,400
the meaning

1266
00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:54,319
has it gone too far exactly has it gone

1267
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:55,839
too far yeah

1268
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:57,599
well they've gotten the reason for the

1269
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:58,880
jesus book is that they're now

1270
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:01,440
interested in strengthening souls

1271
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:03,680
they're not so interested they're not

1272
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:05,440
really on the environmental quick kick

1273
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:06,720
anymore

1274
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:09,839
they're interested in in in

1275
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:13,280
good clean strong souls

1276
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:14,640
and i have a feeling that's because

1277
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:15,839
there's going to be a lot of them

1278
00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:18,640
running around without bodies soon

1279
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:22,240
well well uh we go into we go into break

1280
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:22,880
in just

1281
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:24,880
three minutes but i wanted to ask you

1282
00:52:29,589 --> 00:52:26,559
this question first

1283
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:29,599
do they as far as you know do they

1284
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:33,920
experience time as we do no they don't

1285
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:37,040
i do know that very well i

1286
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,800
see them and i think the easiest way of

1287
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:40,559
seeing when i say them

1288
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:43,920
it's such a huge array

1289
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:47,359
of being reality out behind that little

1290
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:48,880
word

1291
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:50,960
it's almost like a shorthand that's too

1292
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:52,160
short

1293
00:52:59,910 --> 00:52:56,559
but anyway they see reality from

1294
00:53:02,710 --> 00:52:59,920
they see time they see from out they

1295
00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:02,720
look into time from the outside

1296
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:05,599
let's say we are like in the river of

1297
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:08,640
time we're floating in the river of time

1298
00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:12,480
and time is streaming past us

1299
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:15,200
they are looking down into the river of

1300
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:17,280
time from the bank

1301
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:20,400
and when they want to contact us

1302
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:23,359
they have to fish in the river like take

1303
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:26,079
us out of the stream of time

1304
00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:29,040
and that's hard to do for them and for

1305
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:30,880
the person it's done to it's

1306
00:53:36,069 --> 00:53:34,160
terrifying because of what we are and

1307
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:36,079
why we're here and we can get into that

1308
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:37,119
later if you want

1309
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:39,440
since you're coming up on a break yeah

1310
00:53:41,829 --> 00:53:40,480
we are um

1311
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:41,839
yeah we might as well go into break and

1312
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:44,319
then we'll talk about that later also i

1313
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:45,040
wanted

1314
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:46,480
after we come back from the break i'm

1315
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:48,480
making a note to ask you

1316
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:50,640
about when you first thought you were in

1317
00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:52,160
a saucer and why would they need a

1318
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:53,359
saucer but we'll

1319
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:54,960
we'll be talking about that on the other

1320
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:56,880
side of the break for those of you

1321
00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:58,960
on youtube i'm going to be playing a

1322
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:00,160
clip um with

1323
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:03,280
whitley and someone i got to know

1324
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:06,000
a neighbor of mine tom snyder the late

1325
00:54:09,910 --> 00:54:07,200
night host

1326
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:09,920
that clip will be playing now so hang in

1327
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:10,480
there

1328
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:12,960
we'll be right back on kgra right after

1329
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:18,390
with whitley strieber the author of

1330
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:19,760
breakthrough and to complete the thought

1331
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:20,960
that these beings could be

1332
00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:23,359
not necessarily from another planet we

1333
00:54:25,589 --> 00:54:24,800
have no idea what they are i don't think

1334
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:25,599
anybody has

1335
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:27,040
there's a lot of people speculating

1336
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:28,960
about them being aliens or being from

1337
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:31,280
some other level of reality but we don't

1338
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:32,800
even know what that would mean another

1339
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:34,079
level of reality

1340
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:36,319
but what i did well but we do know that

1341
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:37,119
we use about

1342
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:38,480
percent of this up here and the other

1343
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:40,000
ninety percent goes on well you know and

1344
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:41,280
possibly they know how to kick it into

1345
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:41,920
gear force

1346
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:43,280
in the book that's what i think i'm

1347
00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:45,040
saying i think it's about that

1348
00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:46,400
i don't think they're more intelligent

1349
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,799
than we are i think that they have

1350
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,400
the use of more of their brain i think

1351
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:52,400
they can see like beyond time

1352
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:54,640
and i think we can too i think that's

1353
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:55,920
why they're here i think they're trying

1354
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:58,240
to sort of

1355
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:01,440
get us draw us to their level

1356
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:03,280
that's my thought that's so that's their

1357
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:04,960
purpose in coming here well it

1358
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:06,559
certainly seems to be something along

1359
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:07,760
those lines i don't know how they

1360
00:55:10,789 --> 00:55:09,280
changed you i mean are you smarter now

1361
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:10,799
than you were then are you brighter than

1362
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:12,240
you were then more into

1363
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:14,240
yourself i'm no i'm not as scared as i

1364
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:15,520
used to be i was

1365
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:17,200
i was a very frightened person without

1366
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:19,440
realizing it but having dealt with them

1367
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:20,160
for

1368
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:22,559
five years now i know everything there

1369
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:24,079
is to know about my fears

1370
00:55:30,549 --> 00:55:27,119
and i'm not they're really uh

1371
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:30,559
i'm uh you know i can i can

1372
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:32,480
i'm just not that i'm just deeply not

1373
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:34,000
afraid can you communicate

1374
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:35,520
your fear to them did you well by

1375
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:37,119
screaming you yeah

1376
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:39,040
yeah i think i communicated my fear

1377
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:40,240
quite clearly

1378
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:42,240
do they now not scare you anymore they

1379
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:44,000
uh i don't think

1380
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:46,079
it's really ever been about that i think

1381
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:47,680
my fear had to do with me

1382
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:51,280
and what happened was you know i got a

1383
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:52,880
a hundred and forty thousand letters

1384
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:55,119
came in after i wrote communion i'm

1385
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:56,240
surprised only that few

1386
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:59,040
oh no i think millions that was a lot of

1387
00:56:02,710 --> 00:56:00,160
letters for

1388
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:02,720
long detailed descriptions of this most

1389
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:04,160
of the people were saying

1390
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:05,839
i'm not as scared as you are when it

1391
00:56:09,109 --> 00:56:07,599
happens to me and i suddenly realized i

1392
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:09,119
was like on the

1393
00:56:14,069 --> 00:56:11,920
extreme there's a group of people you'll

1394
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:14,079
find them in the ufo community and stuff

1395
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:16,079
who are really scared but the vast

1396
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:17,200
majority of people who have the

1397
00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:17,920
experience really

1398
00:56:21,510 --> 00:56:20,079
aren't they're just very perplexed and

1399
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:21,520
they'd like to know more yeah

1400
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:23,040
here is jill on the toll for you in

1401
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:24,960
hepburn saskatchewan hello

1402
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:27,440
hi good evening good um i was just

1403
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:28,880
wondering i know it must be

1404
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:30,559
very frustrating a lot of people don't

1405
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:32,079
believe you

1406
00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:34,000
yeah i was just wondering how you deal

1407
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:36,079
with it

1408
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:37,760
let's put it this way it is very very

1409
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:39,680
frustrating there is the odd wall in my

1410
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:41,200
house with a hole in it that's been put

1411
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:43,359
there by my fist

1412
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:46,400
i can get very angry about that but uh i

1413
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:47,040
have got

1414
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:50,240
in this book a some interesting first of

1415
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:51,760
all it's all multiple witness

1416
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:53,040
experiences

1417
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:56,160
every i told the visitors in my mind

1418
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:57,839
that i would not put anything in the

1419
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:59,599
book unless more than one person

1420
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:00,880
participated

1421
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:04,079
it took five years but gradually

1422
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:05,920
coming with groups of people up to my

1423
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:08,880
cabin reliable people i could trust

1424
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:11,920
it built into a series of multiple

1425
00:57:14,710 --> 00:57:13,040
witness encounters

1426
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:14,720
that tells you what this thing is about

1427
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:16,640
really and it's the first time anyone's

1428
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:17,760
done it no one's ever done that

1429
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:19,520
yeah jill have you read any of whitley's

1430
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:21,200
other books no i haven't i have heard

1431
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:24,240
his name i know that but no i haven't

1432
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:27,920
and i think that also in a way if you'd

1433
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:30,079
i would never try to impose this on

1434
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:30,960
people

1435
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:32,240
i think there's a reason like visitors

1436
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:33,280
to me if you don't believe it i

1437
00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:34,240
understand yeah

1438
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:35,680
there's a reason that the visitors keep

1439
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:37,359
it secret i mean they they are not

1440
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:38,720
trying to impose themselves on people

1441
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:39,760
therefore

1442
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:41,680
i have in my book adequate for someone

1443
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:43,040
who's had contact

1444
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:45,440
this book's got proof in it for someone

1445
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:46,160
who is

1446
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:47,920
who thinks it's probably real this is

1447
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:49,040
going to take them over the edge they're

1448
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:50,400
going to decide it probably is real

1449
00:57:53,589 --> 00:57:51,760
for someone who does not want to believe

1450
00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:53,599
in this the book's not going to push

1451
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:00,549
okay coming back in three two

1452
00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:03,920
one go all right welcome back to the

1453
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:04,400
show

1454
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:06,880
my guest this evening is whitley

1455
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:09,359
strieber and

1456
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:12,720
lilly we're back and i want to uh i

1457
00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:15,119
mentioned at the top of the break that i

1458
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:16,079
was going to talk about

1459
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:19,520
saucer and that is i know that

1460
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:22,000
when you mentioned you know at least in

1461
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:24,480
the in 1985 in your first encounter

1462
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:26,000
you think you were on a circular

1463
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:27,599
spaceship and

1464
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:31,119
my question is do they need

1465
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:34,640
something an object to get from where

1466
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:35,599
they are

1467
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:38,960
to here like a craft well

1468
00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:41,280
i was perceived myself as being in a

1469
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:43,839
round room

1470
00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:45,359
for a long time i thought it had been

1471
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:47,760
intent i thought i had been

1472
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:50,880
abducted by people who were using lsd

1473
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:54,480
to to try to drive me crazy because i'd

1474
00:59:00,549 --> 00:58:57,920
written a book called war day and uh

1475
00:59:01,910 --> 00:59:00,559
there were some people in the national

1476
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:01,920
security council

1477
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:05,520
who well let's put it this way that

1478
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:08,400
ted kennedy had written had read from it

1479
00:59:16,829 --> 00:59:10,240
on the floor of the senate

1480
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:18,150
uh

1481
00:59:23,829 --> 00:59:21,680
he um it had made

1482
00:59:26,069 --> 00:59:23,839
some of the people in the administration

1483
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:26,079
very angry because they'd been

1484
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:29,520
looking for a big budget increase to

1485
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:32,960
heart to to fema to pay for hardening

1486
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:35,359
our industrial complex against possible

1487
00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:37,200
nuclear attack

1488
00:59:44,470 --> 00:59:41,440
and the book put put an end to that idea

1489
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:44,480
and i had been told by

1490
00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:48,559
a senate staffer that i was liable to be

1491
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:51,760
targeted and in those days

1492
00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:55,280
they used to do political

1493
01:00:01,670 --> 00:59:58,640
um tax audits you know where they'd

1494
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:01,680
audit you for four weeks and cost you

1495
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:04,400
fortune and accounting fees and it would

1496
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:06,079
lead to nothing

1497
01:00:10,950 --> 01:00:08,799
but that wasn't and so i thought that it

1498
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:10,960
wasn't a tax audit but that they

1499
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:14,079
jacked me up full of lsd and the thing

1500
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:17,200
was that was weird was

1501
01:00:20,710 --> 01:00:20,400
i remembered seeing a friend in the in

1502
01:00:23,829 --> 01:00:20,720
the

1503
01:00:27,349 --> 01:00:23,839
thing

1504
01:00:32,230 --> 01:00:27,359
i saw a friend

1505
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:40,150
and i was

1506
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:43,270
talked to him in fact he had been an

1507
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:45,119
intelligence officer and he talked to me

1508
01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:47,599
extensively about

1509
01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:50,000
faults in the exhaust manifold system of

1510
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:52,160
the stealth aircraft which were very

1511
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:55,680
very deep deep dark secret at the time

1512
01:01:03,589 --> 01:00:58,720
and i was sitting there listening to him

1513
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:03,599
why is he telling me this and um

1514
01:01:08,069 --> 01:01:06,480
so over the next few weeks i began to

1515
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:08,079
think

1516
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:11,520
those little creatures that were there

1517
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:14,640
are weren't there

1518
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:19,040
that's all in my head he was there

1519
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:22,319
and he's a cia guy they

1520
01:01:26,470 --> 01:01:24,720
juiced me with something and he was

1521
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:26,480
there

1522
01:01:33,589 --> 01:01:31,280
for whatever reason so i called him

1523
01:01:35,589 --> 01:01:33,599
at home and he the phone was

1524
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:35,599
disconnected

1525
01:01:38,870 --> 01:01:37,200
then i called his brother and his

1526
01:01:41,829 --> 01:01:38,880
brother told me well

1527
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:41,839
he died last march this was now he would

1528
01:01:47,829 --> 01:01:44,000
have died nine months before

1529
01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:47,839
i saw him and that was when i began to

1530
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:49,280
realize

1531
01:01:53,109 --> 01:01:51,440
hey ho this is a little weirder than i

1532
01:01:55,349 --> 01:01:53,119
thought

1533
01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:55,359
because this is not like you wouldn't

1534
01:02:00,549 --> 01:01:57,839
expect ghosts to hang out with aliens

1535
01:02:04,069 --> 01:02:00,559
from another planet necessarily

1536
01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:04,079
and it was as big as life he looked real

1537
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:08,160
so what the heck is this about

1538
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:11,680
now fast forward to this moment

1539
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:14,480
and i do know that there is a confluence

1540
01:02:18,710 --> 01:02:15,839
between

1541
01:02:20,230 --> 01:02:18,720
the dead the visitors and us and annie

1542
01:02:21,990 --> 01:02:20,240
back there

1543
01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:22,000
in the picture you can see her behind my

1544
01:02:27,829 --> 01:02:26,309
she was the one who read all those

1545
01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:27,839
hundreds of thousands of email

1546
01:02:31,829 --> 01:02:29,520
of letters excuse me before it was

1547
01:02:32,950 --> 01:02:31,839
before email that you heard me talking

1548
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:32,960
about in that um

1549
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:36,880
right wow that must have taken months

1550
01:02:44,069 --> 01:02:40,559
well she did she was incredible

1551
01:02:47,670 --> 01:02:44,079
uh she read them she catalogued them

1552
01:02:50,069 --> 01:02:47,680
uh she uh the the communion letters is a

1553
01:02:54,150 --> 01:02:50,079
book she produced based on with all with

1554
01:02:58,390 --> 01:02:54,160
representative sample of them great book

1555
01:03:00,390 --> 01:02:58,400
and all of that and she um

1556
01:03:01,510 --> 01:03:00,400
came out of her office one day and she

1557
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:01,520
said whitley

1558
01:03:05,589 --> 01:03:03,680
this has something to do with what we

1559
01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:05,599
call death

1560
01:03:09,829 --> 01:03:07,839
and at that moment the whole business of

1561
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:09,839
the barrier between the living and the

1562
01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:12,640
dead began to fall in my life

1563
01:03:19,510 --> 01:03:16,000
and now i say i work with the visitors

1564
01:03:21,510 --> 01:03:19,520
i also work with annie

1565
01:03:24,230 --> 01:03:21,520
and we wrote a book together after she

1566
01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:24,240
died called the afterlife revolution

1567
01:03:33,510 --> 01:03:28,400
she came back and i'm not she's not so

1568
01:03:37,829 --> 01:03:36,390
so heavily involved with me now for

1569
01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:37,839
various reasons

1570
01:03:41,750 --> 01:03:39,920
but at first it was like we were like

1571
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:41,760
this and we literally wrote the book

1572
01:03:45,910 --> 01:03:43,200
together

1573
01:03:46,470 --> 01:03:45,920
do you know you asked a while back as

1574
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:46,480
why it

1575
01:03:50,309 --> 01:03:49,520
happened to me in particular i think you

1576
01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:50,319
asked that question

1577
01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:51,920
i didn't get to it i sort of ended up

1578
01:03:56,789 --> 01:03:54,160
talking about why the abductions

1579
01:03:59,270 --> 01:03:56,799
occurred and i think there's a reason

1580
01:04:02,069 --> 01:03:59,280
for it and if you look into this

1581
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:02,079
you'll find that lots of people who had

1582
01:04:05,750 --> 01:04:03,359
military

1583
01:04:06,950 --> 01:04:05,760
backgrounds especially if it was

1584
01:04:10,950 --> 01:04:06,960
intelligence

1585
01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:10,960
related and communications related

1586
01:04:18,870 --> 01:04:15,680
ended up involved the children did

1587
01:04:20,150 --> 01:04:18,880
and that i think is still true uh my one

1588
01:04:22,870 --> 01:04:20,160
of my uncles was

1589
01:04:24,150 --> 01:04:22,880
um involved in the roswell incident at

1590
01:04:25,990 --> 01:04:24,160
right field

1591
01:04:27,190 --> 01:04:26,000
when the debris was brought there he was

1592
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:27,200
one of the officers who

1593
01:04:32,150 --> 01:04:30,400
examined first examined it and his um he

1594
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:32,160
introduced me to his uh commanding

1595
01:04:37,270 --> 01:04:34,000
officer arthur exon

1596
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:37,280
who uh told me he had he gave me a whole

1597
01:04:47,349 --> 01:04:39,200
long thing

1598
01:04:50,470 --> 01:04:47,359
um that i based my

1599
01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:50,480
book about roswell majestic on it's it's

1600
01:04:52,230 --> 01:04:50,880
not

1601
01:04:54,309 --> 01:04:52,240
it's fiction because they couldn't give

1602
01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:54,319
me any any um

1603
01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:56,640
documentation but much of it i think is

1604
01:05:00,630 --> 01:04:57,440
is

1605
01:05:02,549 --> 01:05:00,640
from life so that was there and my

1606
01:05:04,950 --> 01:05:02,559
father was somehow involved i

1607
01:05:07,270 --> 01:05:04,960
to be honest with you i don't know how

1608
01:05:09,589 --> 01:05:07,280
but guy hicks who

1609
01:05:13,109 --> 01:05:09,599
was the commanding officer during the

1610
01:05:16,390 --> 01:05:13,119
mantel incident in 1947 where a

1611
01:05:19,589 --> 01:05:16,400
young officer uh uh

1612
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:19,599
was uh captain mantell was apparently

1613
01:05:24,150 --> 01:05:22,000
shot down by a ufo

1614
01:05:26,069 --> 01:05:24,160
and of course the air force said it was

1615
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:26,079
anoxia and all this stuff

1616
01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:28,559
well for some reason hicks ended up

1617
01:05:32,789 --> 01:05:29,280
living

1618
01:05:36,230 --> 01:05:32,799
like a half a block away from us

1619
01:05:40,069 --> 01:05:36,240
and and i i was sent over

1620
01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:40,079
to to uh play with his kids even though

1621
01:05:46,069 --> 01:05:42,880
i didn't know who they were or anything

1622
01:05:47,910 --> 01:05:46,079
and i i just uh

1623
01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:47,920
so there was some kind of locomotion

1624
01:05:54,069 --> 01:05:50,640
there but i don't know what it was

1625
01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:54,079
um can i address things that are

1626
01:05:56,390 --> 01:05:55,760
flashing past in the chat is that all

1627
01:05:58,309 --> 01:05:56,400
right or do you

1628
01:05:59,589 --> 01:05:58,319
have yeah do you see the chat well

1629
01:06:02,710 --> 01:05:59,599
likely

1630
01:06:04,390 --> 01:06:02,720
yeah yeah so this one he he just came by

1631
01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:04,400
him why not a head of state or leader

1632
01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:06,880
implement these plans to save humanity

1633
01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:09,200
that's a damn good question why do they

1634
01:06:13,750 --> 01:06:10,000
go to some

1635
01:06:17,349 --> 01:06:13,760
jerk who's on the periphery of the world

1636
01:06:19,349 --> 01:06:17,359
and and and drop that ball in his lap

1637
01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:19,359
i don't know the answer to that question

1638
01:06:24,309 --> 01:06:21,520
i wish i did

1639
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:24,319
i wish i could say well blah blah they

1640
01:06:27,670 --> 01:06:25,440
wouldn't uh

1641
01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:27,680
heads of state yeah if they went to a

1642
01:06:31,670 --> 01:06:29,440
head of state it would damn well

1643
01:06:32,470 --> 01:06:31,680
help and i wish they would and they

1644
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:32,480
haven't

1645
01:06:36,309 --> 01:06:35,920
and i've tried everything to get them to

1646
01:06:39,430 --> 01:06:36,319
come

1647
01:06:43,029 --> 01:06:39,440
out for just five minutes in a way that

1648
01:06:45,029 --> 01:06:43,039
is undeniable to the world

1649
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:45,039
and i can't get it to happen and it just

1650
01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:47,119
sometimes i think to myself

1651
01:06:52,950 --> 01:06:50,960
do they want us to survive or not

1652
01:06:54,150 --> 01:06:52,960
or can they not decide or is there

1653
01:06:56,309 --> 01:06:54,160
conflict or

1654
01:06:58,309 --> 01:06:56,319
something that makes it impossible for

1655
01:07:00,789 --> 01:06:58,319
them

1656
01:07:02,150 --> 01:07:00,799
i just don't know the answer it's very

1657
01:07:03,750 --> 01:07:02,160
very frustrating

1658
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:03,760
there was another question there about

1659
01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:06,160
whether or not i took uh

1660
01:07:10,309 --> 01:07:08,720
uh ever took lsd the answer is

1661
01:07:13,349 --> 01:07:10,319
absolutely not

1662
01:07:16,230 --> 01:07:13,359
uh i had uh i've had one experience in

1663
01:07:19,990 --> 01:07:16,240
my life with marijuana

1664
01:07:20,710 --> 01:07:20,000
i walked into a room back in the 70s

1665
01:07:23,589 --> 01:07:20,720
where there

1666
01:07:24,630 --> 01:07:23,599
during a party there were people it was

1667
01:07:27,670 --> 01:07:24,640
illegal then and

1668
01:07:31,349 --> 01:07:27,680
people were very discreet about it and

1669
01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:35,190
they

1670
01:07:40,870 --> 01:07:39,599
the room for two or three minutes and

1671
01:07:43,990 --> 01:07:40,880
left

1672
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:44,000
and i was high for a week

1673
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:47,039
i kept seeing myself past in the street

1674
01:07:50,870 --> 01:07:49,200
and then the next weekend we went to

1675
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:50,880
another party and i effusively

1676
01:07:54,150 --> 01:07:52,799
complimented the hostess on the goldfish

1677
01:07:55,990 --> 01:07:54,160
in our lampstands

1678
01:07:57,750 --> 01:07:56,000
and aunt said we're going home there are

1679
01:08:00,150 --> 01:07:57,760
no goldfish in the lampstand you're

1680
01:08:02,870 --> 01:08:00,160
still high from last week

1681
01:08:03,190 --> 01:08:02,880
and i figured you know if if i'm living

1682
01:08:06,630 --> 01:08:03,200
this

1683
01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:06,640
life and marijuana marijuana

1684
01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:09,359
does that to me i'd probably be better

1685
01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:11,520
off staying away from all

1686
01:08:14,789 --> 01:08:13,200
psychoactive drugs because i've got

1687
01:08:15,589 --> 01:08:14,799
something very sensitive going on up

1688
01:08:20,550 --> 01:08:15,599
here

1689
01:08:22,630 --> 01:08:20,560
been afraid of that type of thing

1690
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:22,640
so here you talk to them every night

1691
01:08:27,510 --> 01:08:24,000
haven't you asked

1692
01:08:30,789 --> 01:08:27,520
the answer is i've asked i've pleaded

1693
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:30,799
i've demanded i've insisted

1694
01:08:37,110 --> 01:08:34,000
all of the above and

1695
01:08:37,430 --> 01:08:37,120
gotten nowhere and it is ruining my life

1696
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:37,440
to

1697
01:08:44,070 --> 01:08:40,880
be honest with you i feel uh

1698
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:44,080
i feel that i did all of this i

1699
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:47,440
gave up my life for this i became a

1700
01:08:52,630 --> 01:08:48,960
marginalized

1701
01:08:53,110 --> 01:08:52,640
nut in the in the view of many people

1702
01:08:56,229 --> 01:08:53,120
and i

1703
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:56,239
did it so that i could help make this

1704
01:09:03,030 --> 01:09:00,000
work and they just sit on their duffs

1705
01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:03,040
and it's infuriating frustrating

1706
01:09:09,669 --> 01:09:07,120
and i think tragic tragic

1707
01:09:10,149 --> 01:09:09,679
uh all right i'm just answering someone

1708
01:09:13,030 --> 01:09:10,159
else and

1709
01:09:14,309 --> 01:09:13,040
over at um facebook that you've already

1710
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:14,319
answered that question too

1711
01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:17,759
um now what about if you

1712
01:09:22,870 --> 01:09:21,120
decided you're going to film have film

1713
01:09:25,349 --> 01:09:22,880
uh you know camera setup everywhere in

1714
01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:25,359
your house or camera setup

1715
01:09:28,630 --> 01:09:27,520
you have i've done that we did that

1716
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:28,640
early on

1717
01:09:35,590 --> 01:09:32,400
what about i still have cameras here

1718
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:35,600
all over the place yeah absolutely

1719
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:39,520
if only they would show up in front of a

1720
01:09:43,990 --> 01:09:40,719
camera it would be

1721
01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:44,000
wonderful and there's ample opportunity

1722
01:09:48,550 --> 01:09:44,640
here

1723
01:09:50,709 --> 01:09:48,560
i've had them physically in this house

1724
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:50,719
with the cameras on and you don't see

1725
01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:56,470
but but here's why the camera will turn

1726
01:09:59,910 --> 01:09:58,320
off first

1727
01:10:01,350 --> 01:09:59,920
you always know when they're coming in

1728
01:10:02,149 --> 01:10:01,360
here physically because the camera's

1729
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:02,159
turned off

1730
01:10:06,070 --> 01:10:04,719
i went on i was on to the nest tech

1731
01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:06,080
support and everything

1732
01:10:09,910 --> 01:10:09,120
they have no explanation for why the

1733
01:10:12,390 --> 01:10:09,920
camera

1734
01:10:13,270 --> 01:10:12,400
will turn itself off and then turn

1735
01:10:15,669 --> 01:10:13,280
itself on

1736
01:10:17,430 --> 01:10:15,679
again but like for example if i have a

1737
01:10:18,550 --> 01:10:17,440
very intense experience and the camera

1738
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:18,560
is on

1739
01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:20,640
what i find when i look at the camera's

1740
01:10:23,990 --> 01:10:21,600
footage

1741
01:10:26,470 --> 01:10:24,000
is about five or ten minutes before the

1742
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:26,480
experience the camera stops

1743
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:29,600
and then it starts again later

1744
01:10:35,590 --> 01:10:33,360
and there's no apparent reason for that

1745
01:10:37,350 --> 01:10:35,600
there's you're not the only one that's

1746
01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:37,360
i've heard this mentioned before similar

1747
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:39,040
things mentioned before

1748
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:42,960
uh um has anyone

1749
01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:46,000
that you've talked to since you've come

1750
01:10:50,870 --> 01:10:47,840
out with all this

1751
01:10:52,149 --> 01:10:50,880
basically have your story very very

1752
01:10:54,470 --> 01:10:52,159
similar to your story

1753
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:54,480
is it happening in other places very

1754
01:11:01,830 --> 01:10:55,199
similar

1755
01:11:05,830 --> 01:11:03,590
yeah but unfortunately the people

1756
01:11:09,030 --> 01:11:05,840
involved are very secretive

1757
01:11:12,470 --> 01:11:09,040
and i can't i can't say anything

1758
01:11:14,390 --> 01:11:12,480
more than there are some people who are

1759
01:11:17,750 --> 01:11:14,400
equally involved and some who are

1760
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:17,760
probably more involved than i am

1761
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:20,960
when you got that 170 000

1762
01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:23,440
or whatever it was letters it was more

1763
01:11:28,390 --> 01:11:25,040
than that over time but go ahead

1764
01:11:30,390 --> 01:11:28,400
yeah yeah and were there people that

1765
01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:30,400
really wanted to hey look i'm having the

1766
01:11:33,189 --> 01:11:31,840
same thing i want to connect with you

1767
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:33,199
can we talk

1768
01:11:37,189 --> 01:11:35,360
did you reach out to some people i

1769
01:11:39,350 --> 01:11:37,199
reached out to thousands

1770
01:11:41,189 --> 01:11:39,360
really we reached out to at least two or

1771
01:11:44,229 --> 01:11:41,199
three thousand people

1772
01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:44,239
and uh we did everything we could we we

1773
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:45,920
formed something called the communion

1774
01:11:49,350 --> 01:11:47,040
groups

1775
01:11:51,030 --> 01:11:49,360
but it was invaded by what now are

1776
01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:51,040
called trolls

1777
01:11:54,149 --> 01:11:53,040
and they we had to close it down because

1778
01:11:56,709 --> 01:11:54,159
it was

1779
01:11:58,870 --> 01:11:56,719
a lot of crazy stuff started going on

1780
01:12:02,070 --> 01:11:58,880
really nasty people

1781
01:12:03,030 --> 01:12:02,080
and i think they might have been people

1782
01:12:06,070 --> 01:12:03,040
working for the

1783
01:12:07,990 --> 01:12:06,080
government uh because they were there to

1784
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:08,000
to wreck those groups that was their

1785
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:09,360
purpose

1786
01:12:12,630 --> 01:12:10,960
who knows what their motives were you

1787
01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:12,640
never know these days people have got so

1788
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:14,560
many hidden motives

1789
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:17,600
um yes it's no different i mean

1790
01:12:24,390 --> 01:12:21,280
if you read the age of

1791
01:12:27,750 --> 01:12:24,400
philip ii the great uh

1792
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:27,760
the first real spy master uh the

1793
01:12:35,110 --> 01:12:30,800
emperor of king of spain back in the

1794
01:12:37,350 --> 01:12:35,120
16th century he was he was

1795
01:12:39,189 --> 01:12:37,360
all there was as much duplicity and

1796
01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:39,199
spying and lying going on in there

1797
01:12:48,470 --> 01:12:42,719
as there is now so

1798
01:12:51,669 --> 01:12:51,030
so someone posted here you can see it

1799
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:51,679
alex

1800
01:12:54,870 --> 01:12:53,760
wanted to know what about uh you know an

1801
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:54,880
analog

1802
01:12:57,910 --> 01:12:57,600
photograph have you tried that too tried

1803
01:13:01,750 --> 01:12:57,920
that

1804
01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:01,760
and uh in fact the visitors even

1805
01:13:13,350 --> 01:13:06,960
recommended a brand of camera to me

1806
01:13:17,510 --> 01:13:16,550
and the damn camera was incredibly

1807
01:13:20,470 --> 01:13:17,520
difficult

1808
01:13:23,189 --> 01:13:20,480
you couldn't operate you could not work

1809
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:23,199
it i could not work

1810
01:13:29,189 --> 01:13:26,800
and uh they never showed up

1811
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:29,199
when i had the camera when i could have

1812
01:13:34,870 --> 01:13:32,400
just picked it up and clicked a picture

1813
01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:34,880
but and and maybe gotten a picture i got

1814
01:13:37,990 --> 01:13:36,480
actually about five pictures out of the

1815
01:13:39,910 --> 01:13:38,000
camera before i tossed it over my

1816
01:13:43,590 --> 01:13:39,920
shoulder and ran like hell

1817
01:13:44,709 --> 01:13:43,600
uh but uh uh it was it had to be the

1818
01:13:47,750 --> 01:13:44,719
worst

1819
01:13:52,310 --> 01:13:47,760
most this is back in the in the early

1820
01:13:55,669 --> 01:13:52,320
in the mid 80s late 80s or early 90s

1821
01:14:02,709 --> 01:13:59,430
yeah wow do they ever

1822
01:14:07,830 --> 01:14:02,719
discuss where they're actually from

1823
01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:07,840
in detail never

1824
01:14:15,669 --> 01:14:11,760
never i don't know

1825
01:14:18,390 --> 01:14:15,679
anything about where they are from

1826
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:18,400
they would say if asked i think we're

1827
01:14:28,550 --> 01:14:26,830
and uh i've toyed with a fascinating

1828
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:28,560
idea

1829
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:30,239
you know one of the things that's

1830
01:14:34,630 --> 01:14:32,480
characteristic of planet earth is that

1831
01:14:36,630 --> 01:14:34,640
there are many species with multiple

1832
01:14:39,590 --> 01:14:36,640
forms

1833
01:14:41,430 --> 01:14:39,600
tadpole turns into a frog caterpillar

1834
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:41,440
into a butterfly

1835
01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:44,640
what if we're a multiple form we might

1836
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:45,600
be

1837
01:14:50,950 --> 01:14:49,040
genetically encoded not to interact with

1838
01:14:52,470 --> 01:14:50,960
the other forms

1839
01:14:55,510 --> 01:14:52,480
who knows what a caterpillar thinks

1840
01:15:02,149 --> 01:14:59,189
never thought of that yeah yeah

1841
01:15:03,430 --> 01:15:02,159
that is an interesting take and um i

1842
01:15:05,830 --> 01:15:03,440
truly think

1843
01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:05,840
you know the more i look at this topic

1844
01:15:09,430 --> 01:15:07,440
and other topics in the world that i

1845
01:15:12,390 --> 01:15:09,440
think we know so little

1846
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:12,400
do you feel like you may know more than

1847
01:15:19,990 --> 01:15:18,070
i don't know if i want to answer that

1848
01:15:25,750 --> 01:15:20,000
question but i of course i do

1849
01:15:29,030 --> 01:15:25,760
of course i do i know an immense amount

1850
01:15:31,189 --> 01:15:29,040
of i've had an extraordinary life

1851
01:15:32,709 --> 01:15:31,199
and there's no two ways about it i have

1852
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:32,719
had

1853
01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:35,840
and i i'm in one sense i'm very grateful

1854
01:15:38,950 --> 01:15:36,320
for that

1855
01:15:40,870 --> 01:15:38,960
in another sense i think i've been

1856
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:40,880
they've marginalized me when i could

1857
01:15:44,310 --> 01:15:41,280
have

1858
01:15:48,550 --> 01:15:44,320
done much more in the world than i did

1859
01:15:54,950 --> 01:15:51,990
had in a certain way i let my curiosity

1860
01:15:56,470 --> 01:15:54,960
run away with me i probably i probably

1861
01:15:59,830 --> 01:15:56,480
would have been had a

1862
01:16:03,669 --> 01:15:59,840
more richer and more valuable life

1863
01:16:05,350 --> 01:16:03,679
if i hadn't written communion hadn't

1864
01:16:06,550 --> 01:16:05,360
i could have done this indirectly in

1865
01:16:07,990 --> 01:16:06,560
other words i could have formed a

1866
01:16:11,350 --> 01:16:08,000
relationship with them

1867
01:16:12,790 --> 01:16:11,360
without writing about them i think

1868
01:16:14,550 --> 01:16:12,800
and i might have been able to get a lot

1869
01:16:18,390 --> 01:16:14,560
of value out of it

1870
01:16:21,510 --> 01:16:18,400
without having to to spout off my all

1871
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:21,520
my stuff in the public

1872
01:16:28,070 --> 01:16:25,199
the public so do you think that

1873
01:16:29,910 --> 01:16:28,080
writing starting off with the book

1874
01:16:33,510 --> 01:16:29,920
communion do you think

1875
01:16:36,790 --> 01:16:33,520
that hurt your career oh yeah

1876
01:16:38,870 --> 01:16:36,800
i'd destroy it i remember hearing you

1877
01:16:40,390 --> 01:16:38,880
say that um i listened to something a

1878
01:16:44,149 --> 01:16:40,400
long time ago

1879
01:16:45,830 --> 01:16:44,159
and uh it really hurt you financially

1880
01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:45,840
overall right

1881
01:16:49,350 --> 01:16:48,800
yeah i lost the cabin and i didn't it

1882
01:16:51,910 --> 01:16:49,360
wasn't even

1883
01:16:54,070 --> 01:16:51,920
very expensive i've lost everything

1884
01:16:57,189 --> 01:16:54,080
there was a point in time

1885
01:16:59,110 --> 01:16:57,199
when ann and i we had our son in school

1886
01:17:02,310 --> 01:16:59,120
and we had a choice

1887
01:17:04,470 --> 01:17:02,320
we either paid his tuition or

1888
01:17:05,910 --> 01:17:04,480
he was away at boarding school and

1889
01:17:08,470 --> 01:17:05,920
because we had you know we were

1890
01:17:09,990 --> 01:17:08,480
at that level of living and we didn't

1891
01:17:14,070 --> 01:17:10,000
want to take him out of his school

1892
01:17:17,510 --> 01:17:14,080
we almost had to but uh

1893
01:17:20,310 --> 01:17:17,520
we uh we would have to choose sometimes

1894
01:17:22,709 --> 01:17:20,320
between eating and paying his tuition

1895
01:17:24,149 --> 01:17:22,719
and we we chose the tuition and we had

1896
01:17:28,390 --> 01:17:24,159
to we borrowed money from

1897
01:17:28,950 --> 01:17:28,400
friends for meals and we lost the cabin

1898
01:17:32,790 --> 01:17:28,960
we lost

1899
01:17:35,990 --> 01:17:32,800
everything and it was because of

1900
01:17:38,390 --> 01:17:36,000
well you know the south park uh i

1901
01:17:40,310 --> 01:17:38,400
mentioned this all the time this

1902
01:17:41,830 --> 01:17:40,320
opening episode of south park really

1903
01:17:44,470 --> 01:17:41,840
hurt me because

1904
01:17:45,750 --> 01:17:44,480
people will buy the books of someone

1905
01:17:47,669 --> 01:17:45,760
who's

1906
01:17:49,510 --> 01:17:47,679
controversial and they'll buy the books

1907
01:17:51,270 --> 01:17:49,520
of someone they're curious about

1908
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:51,280
but they will not buy the books of

1909
01:17:54,550 --> 01:17:52,560
someone who is a public

1910
01:17:55,590 --> 01:17:54,560
joke because they don't want to be

1911
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:55,600
laughed at

1912
01:18:01,430 --> 01:17:59,040
that's a powerful tool a powerful weapon

1913
01:18:04,149 --> 01:18:01,440
wow and those two guys used it against

1914
01:18:07,270 --> 01:18:04,159
me and it worked

1915
01:18:09,750 --> 01:18:07,280
wow yeah i remember that yeah

1916
01:18:10,709 --> 01:18:09,760
oh that's that's uh that's that's

1917
01:18:12,950 --> 01:18:10,719
disheartening

1918
01:18:14,070 --> 01:18:12,960
and well you know it's another thing

1919
01:18:16,870 --> 01:18:14,080
like i am

1920
01:18:17,510 --> 01:18:16,880
it's worse now than it was 20 years ago

1921
01:18:19,990 --> 01:18:17,520
worse it's

1922
01:18:20,709 --> 01:18:20,000
much harder like the new york times

1923
01:18:23,750 --> 01:18:20,719
which will

1924
01:18:24,149 --> 01:18:23,760
publish leslie keane's stuff would never

1925
01:18:27,430 --> 01:18:24,159
come

1926
01:18:29,270 --> 01:18:27,440
near reviewing one of my books the new

1927
01:18:32,790 --> 01:18:29,280
book i've written

1928
01:18:33,910 --> 01:18:32,800
no one in the in the jesus research

1929
01:18:36,070 --> 01:18:33,920
community will

1930
01:18:38,470 --> 01:18:36,080
will give me a blurb or even read it

1931
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:38,480
because i'm whitley strieber

1932
01:18:43,030 --> 01:18:40,560
and believe me most of them cannot write

1933
01:18:43,350 --> 01:18:43,040
a book as good as that about jesus in

1934
01:18:47,430 --> 01:18:43,360
fact

1935
01:18:50,550 --> 01:18:47,440
i'll go so far as to say no one ever has

1936
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:50,560
as you shall see when it comes out

1937
01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:54,000
um but they won't even touch it

1938
01:18:58,310 --> 01:18:56,880
uh if i send it out to kirkus reviews

1939
01:19:03,189 --> 01:18:58,320
and the library journal

1940
01:19:05,189 --> 01:19:03,199
and publishers weekly if i get a review

1941
01:19:07,270 --> 01:19:05,199
it will be a negative review and it will

1942
01:19:09,750 --> 01:19:07,280
be a review of whitley strieber not of

1943
01:19:12,790 --> 01:19:09,760
the book

1944
01:19:15,189 --> 01:19:12,800
period and that's just

1945
01:19:18,070 --> 01:19:15,199
the way it the way the cookie has

1946
01:19:20,390 --> 01:19:18,080
crumbled and i think it's awful

1947
01:19:22,950 --> 01:19:20,400
yeah i mean you have on one hand this

1948
01:19:24,709 --> 01:19:22,960
kind of denial and on the other hand the

1949
01:19:27,189 --> 01:19:24,719
visitors are sitting on their duffs and

1950
01:19:29,990 --> 01:19:27,199
won't do anything

1951
01:19:31,430 --> 01:19:30,000
it's yeah you talk about a frustrating

1952
01:19:34,950 --> 01:19:31,440
life

1953
01:19:36,709 --> 01:19:34,960
that's exactly what i've got

1954
01:19:38,630 --> 01:19:36,719
if you had someone like um you know

1955
01:19:42,709 --> 01:19:38,640
there are

1956
01:19:44,870 --> 01:19:42,719
talked about leslie

1957
01:19:45,830 --> 01:19:44,880
kane coming out with the new york times

1958
01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:45,840
article

1959
01:19:50,070 --> 01:19:49,440
back in 2017 so there are a lot of

1960
01:19:52,310 --> 01:19:50,080
scientists

1961
01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:52,320
taking this topic more seriously if you

1962
01:19:56,070 --> 01:19:53,760
were approached

1963
01:19:57,750 --> 01:19:56,080
by someone that wanted to study your

1964
01:19:59,350 --> 01:19:57,760
situation or have you been

1965
01:20:02,229 --> 01:19:59,360
approached in the past oh yeah of course

1966
01:20:03,270 --> 01:20:02,239
i have then they've got my dna they've

1967
01:20:05,830 --> 01:20:03,280
got my

1968
01:20:07,350 --> 01:20:05,840
uh mri scans they've got everything they

1969
01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:07,360
need they've even got

1970
01:20:11,110 --> 01:20:09,840
information about the implant uh

1971
01:20:13,750 --> 01:20:11,120
including you know

1972
01:20:14,790 --> 01:20:13,760
including the uh signal they've got the

1973
01:20:16,229 --> 01:20:14,800
signal

1974
01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:16,239
so they've got everything they need and

1975
01:20:20,790 --> 01:20:18,000
what do i get out of it

1976
01:20:23,030 --> 01:20:20,800
not a word i drop all that stuff in a

1977
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:23,040
hole as far as i'm concerned

1978
01:20:27,030 --> 01:20:25,600
i did learn one thing that my brain is

1979
01:20:30,830 --> 01:20:27,040
quote unquote very

1980
01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:30,840
unusual and i found out why

1981
01:20:36,070 --> 01:20:33,360
uh the uh

1982
01:20:37,189 --> 01:20:36,080
it's uh the there's an area called the

1983
01:20:40,550 --> 01:20:37,199
white matter

1984
01:20:42,149 --> 01:20:40,560
which is very over extended in my brain

1985
01:20:46,070 --> 01:20:42,159
it's very large

1986
01:20:49,350 --> 01:20:46,080
and there are studies going on now

1987
01:20:51,430 --> 01:20:49,360
that uh are trump this is the area of

1988
01:20:53,590 --> 01:20:51,440
the brain that governs

1989
01:20:55,430 --> 01:20:53,600
paranormal and psychic experiences and

1990
01:20:58,629 --> 01:20:55,440
stuff like that

1991
01:21:01,830 --> 01:20:58,639
um so maybe that's

1992
01:21:04,149 --> 01:21:01,840
an explanation i don't know well

1993
01:21:05,350 --> 01:21:04,159
just uh popping this up just just so you

1994
01:21:07,030 --> 01:21:05,360
can see it

1995
01:21:08,950 --> 01:21:07,040
it's from mary gray she's regular here

1996
01:21:09,590 --> 01:21:08,960
she said she she will definitely read

1997
01:21:13,110 --> 01:21:09,600
that

1998
01:21:16,790 --> 01:21:14,790
you don't have to not believe in jesus

1999
01:21:20,310 --> 01:21:16,800
in order to like my book

2000
01:21:23,510 --> 01:21:20,320
believe me jesus was this is no secular

2001
01:21:25,350 --> 01:21:23,520
take on jesus i know a lot a hell of a

2002
01:21:30,550 --> 01:21:25,360
lot about what actually happened

2003
01:21:33,669 --> 01:21:31,669
it's going to be an interesting

2004
01:21:36,790 --> 01:21:33,679
experience to publish it because it's

2005
01:21:38,550 --> 01:21:36,800
not what anybody wants to hear

2006
01:21:41,669 --> 01:21:38,560
that's especially the secular people

2007
01:21:45,510 --> 01:21:41,679
they do not want to hear this

2008
01:21:47,590 --> 01:21:45,520
they do not well well along the lines of

2009
01:21:49,990 --> 01:21:47,600
what i asked you before as a team

2010
01:21:51,990 --> 01:21:50,000
of scientists lived with you for a long

2011
01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:52,000
period of time has anyone like

2012
01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:54,000
have they gone to that extent now at the

2013
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:56,320
cabin no a lot of them came up to the

2014
01:22:00,950 --> 01:21:59,760
cabin yeah but they but uh they didn't

2015
01:22:02,950 --> 01:22:00,960
have experiences

2016
01:22:04,629 --> 01:22:02,960
except that like what happened to john

2017
01:22:04,870 --> 01:22:04,639
gleidman they would they would be there

2018
01:22:06,550 --> 01:22:04,880
and

2019
01:22:08,070 --> 01:22:06,560
everyone else would have an experience

2020
01:22:10,470 --> 01:22:08,080
and they wouldn't

2021
01:22:11,590 --> 01:22:10,480
they wouldn't see anything you know

2022
01:22:17,189 --> 01:22:11,600
because they

2023
01:22:21,189 --> 01:22:17,199
they can't afford to have their paradigm

2024
01:22:24,950 --> 01:22:21,199
uh burst

2025
01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:24,960
um yeah um i think i'm going to take

2026
01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:28,000
calls now we've had a very active chat

2027
01:22:32,310 --> 01:22:31,600
tonight so i'm going to bring in here we

2028
01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:32,320
go

2029
01:22:37,510 --> 01:22:35,280
and that number everyone is uh eight

2030
01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:37,520
five five four seven two

2031
01:22:42,149 --> 01:22:40,800
four and if you have a call

2032
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:42,159
i mean if you have a question for our

2033
01:22:47,110 --> 01:22:43,920
guests

2034
01:22:50,229 --> 01:22:47,120
feel free to give us a call

2035
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:50,239
um do you think uh let's see i did have

2036
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:52,080
a question here

2037
01:22:59,830 --> 01:22:55,840
as far as opening up

2038
01:23:02,870 --> 01:22:59,840
non-believers into your idea

2039
01:23:04,709 --> 01:23:02,880
that you think this is happening what is

2040
01:23:06,709 --> 01:23:04,719
your best

2041
01:23:08,870 --> 01:23:06,719
way to convince someone or do you feel

2042
01:23:11,030 --> 01:23:08,880
like you don't need to convince anyone

2043
01:23:13,430 --> 01:23:11,040
it's not up to me they have to make

2044
01:23:15,990 --> 01:23:13,440
their own choice

2045
01:23:16,950 --> 01:23:16,000
i'm not i'm not going to be debating

2046
01:23:19,030 --> 01:23:16,960
people

2047
01:23:21,910 --> 01:23:19,040
it's a it's the reason is i learned a

2048
01:23:23,830 --> 01:23:21,920
long time ago it goes deeper than that

2049
01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:23,840
you can you can prove something to them

2050
01:23:27,510 --> 01:23:24,960
and they're still going to walk away

2051
01:23:29,590 --> 01:23:27,520
with the same opinion they had before

2052
01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:29,600
it has they have to find the place in

2053
01:23:32,709 --> 01:23:31,360
themselves that can see this

2054
01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:32,719
and if they don't find it they don't

2055
01:23:37,110 --> 01:23:34,560
find it

2056
01:23:38,229 --> 01:23:37,120
now you you met with bud hopkins which i

2057
01:23:40,709 --> 01:23:38,239
understand he was a

2058
01:23:42,070 --> 01:23:40,719
real fine gentleman i never had the

2059
01:23:44,149 --> 01:23:42,080
chance to meet him

2060
01:23:45,830 --> 01:23:44,159
um what some other people that you've

2061
01:23:49,110 --> 01:23:45,840
met with um

2062
01:23:50,550 --> 01:23:49,120
you mentioned the uh the hypnotist that

2063
01:23:53,189 --> 01:23:50,560
was uh renowned

2064
01:23:55,590 --> 01:23:53,199
yeah uh donald trump yeah who haven't i

2065
01:23:57,270 --> 01:23:55,600
met with would be the better question

2066
01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:57,280
i've met with everybody in the ufo

2067
01:24:01,270 --> 01:23:59,040
community over the years

2068
01:24:02,550 --> 01:24:01,280
i think everybody maybe some i haven't

2069
01:24:05,110 --> 01:24:02,560
met but uh

2070
01:24:06,310 --> 01:24:05,120
the great majority of them i did john

2071
01:24:08,310 --> 01:24:06,320
mack

2072
01:24:09,590 --> 01:24:08,320
oh god i knew john very well we were

2073
01:24:12,550 --> 01:24:09,600
dear friends we

2074
01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:12,560
oh we had a one of the last times i saw

2075
01:24:17,430 --> 01:24:13,679
him

2076
01:24:20,709 --> 01:24:17,440
uh lawrence rockefeller invited uh

2077
01:24:24,790 --> 01:24:20,719
me and anne and john mack and

2078
01:24:28,229 --> 01:24:24,800
uh uh always black on his name the

2079
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:28,239
astronaut who founded uh

2080
01:24:33,189 --> 01:24:31,199
uh founded the ions the institute for

2081
01:24:37,110 --> 01:24:33,199
discovery sciences

2082
01:24:38,790 --> 01:24:37,120
uh uh not gordon cooper

2083
01:24:41,270 --> 01:24:38,800
um i'm just trying to think of some

2084
01:24:44,709 --> 01:24:42,790
everyone blocks on his name and he was

2085
01:24:47,830 --> 01:24:44,719
so important he was the one who

2086
01:24:51,189 --> 01:24:47,840
went to the moon and oh oh yeah

2087
01:24:53,189 --> 01:24:51,199
of course his name

2088
01:24:54,390 --> 01:24:53,199
he passed away a few years ago a couple

2089
01:24:55,990 --> 01:24:54,400
of years ago anyway

2090
01:24:58,950 --> 01:24:56,000
the group of us were there terrible i

2091
01:24:59,910 --> 01:24:58,960
can't remember and we traded stories

2092
01:25:03,590 --> 01:24:59,920
basically

2093
01:25:05,430 --> 01:25:03,600
at this lovely estate that um

2094
01:25:06,709 --> 01:25:05,440
edgar mitchell thank you brett klein oh

2095
01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:06,719
yes very grace

2096
01:25:14,950 --> 01:25:10,320
thank you thank you yeah um

2097
01:25:17,590 --> 01:25:14,960
so uh we um

2098
01:25:19,669 --> 01:25:17,600
uh this lovely estate that that the

2099
01:25:20,950 --> 01:25:19,679
rockefellers had down in south carolina

2100
01:25:23,830 --> 01:25:20,960
i believe

2101
01:25:25,830 --> 01:25:23,840
and spent a weekend there just just

2102
01:25:28,229 --> 01:25:25,840
talking

2103
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:28,239
in in enjoying one another's company and

2104
01:25:32,070 --> 01:25:29,600
it was just a

2105
01:25:33,910 --> 01:25:32,080
wonderful weekend i enjoyed john so much

2106
01:25:35,910 --> 01:25:33,920
i'll never forget the day he telephoned

2107
01:25:37,830 --> 01:25:35,920
me

2108
01:25:39,270 --> 01:25:37,840
after his book was published and he i

2109
01:25:39,990 --> 01:25:39,280
had warned him that he was going to get

2110
01:25:42,629 --> 01:25:40,000
into trouble

2111
01:25:44,950 --> 01:25:42,639
and he said quickly i am in trouble now

2112
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:44,960
they are trying to take away my license

2113
01:25:48,870 --> 01:25:47,760
and my tenure both at the same time that

2114
01:25:53,350 --> 01:25:48,880
was horrible

2115
01:25:56,550 --> 01:25:53,360
and i said to him john you have to

2116
01:25:58,149 --> 01:25:56,560
start with the tenure that's where you

2117
01:25:59,750 --> 01:25:58,159
have to work because if they don't take

2118
01:26:01,430 --> 01:25:59,760
away your tenure nobody's going to take

2119
01:26:03,350 --> 01:26:01,440
away your license that will go away on

2120
01:26:06,950 --> 01:26:03,360
its own

2121
01:26:10,229 --> 01:26:06,960
and he befriended

2122
01:26:10,790 --> 01:26:10,239
the key man who was against him and he

2123
01:26:14,470 --> 01:26:10,800
became an

2124
01:26:17,030 --> 01:26:14,480
ally of john's john was a very dynamic

2125
01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:17,040
personality yeah i don't know if you've

2126
01:26:21,990 --> 01:26:18,960
seen the movie phenomenon

2127
01:26:24,390 --> 01:26:22,000
oh yes oh yeah so good

2128
01:26:25,590 --> 01:26:24,400
and there's the some of the wonderful

2129
01:26:28,790 --> 01:26:25,600
material

2130
01:26:30,550 --> 01:26:28,800
that john gathered in uh africa

2131
01:26:32,790 --> 01:26:30,560
i know the group of school children is

2132
01:26:33,910 --> 01:26:32,800
there he's wonderful interviewing those

2133
01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:33,920
kids

2134
01:26:37,590 --> 01:26:37,040
yeah yeah and he just had a he had a big

2135
01:26:41,750 --> 01:26:37,600
heart

2136
01:26:45,189 --> 01:26:44,070
yeah such a shame he was taken away so

2137
01:26:50,070 --> 01:26:45,199
young

2138
01:26:52,470 --> 01:26:50,080
that's right yeah i would like to

2139
01:26:53,669 --> 01:26:52,480
uh where we should be getting some calls

2140
01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:53,679
again that number is eight

2141
01:26:57,350 --> 01:26:55,679
five five four seven two five four eight

2142
01:27:01,030 --> 01:26:57,360
three um

2143
01:27:04,629 --> 01:27:01,040
i wanted to ask you about the

2144
01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:04,639
object that you think was implanted and

2145
01:27:08,149 --> 01:27:06,480
it i don't think it's right here i can

2146
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:08,159
feel it right now in fact

2147
01:27:12,310 --> 01:27:09,840
i don't know if you can see the ear it's

2148
01:27:14,390 --> 01:27:12,320
very red can you see that

2149
01:27:16,229 --> 01:27:14,400
are you able to yeah that's because it's

2150
01:27:17,669 --> 01:27:16,239
transmitting right now

2151
01:27:20,310 --> 01:27:17,679
look at the difference between that ear

2152
01:27:20,870 --> 01:27:20,320
and this oh oh man this is not easy in

2153
01:27:22,310 --> 01:27:20,880
this one

2154
01:27:24,310 --> 01:27:22,320
see if you can see that if there's i

2155
01:27:25,830 --> 01:27:24,320
can't tell if the difference i can feel

2156
01:27:28,470 --> 01:27:25,840
the heat of the ear

2157
01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:28,480
so i know it's it's going but this here

2158
01:27:31,990 --> 01:27:29,040
should be

2159
01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:32,000
fairly pink fairly normal yeah and this

2160
01:27:35,350 --> 01:27:33,280
one

2161
01:27:36,310 --> 01:27:35,360
does look a little redder unless my

2162
01:27:37,990 --> 01:27:36,320
imagination

2163
01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:38,000
it does we do have a call coming in as

2164
01:27:42,550 --> 01:27:39,360
soon as that's screened

2165
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:42,560
i'll bring that person in but um

2166
01:27:46,709 --> 01:27:44,400
you are also not the only one that i've

2167
01:27:49,910 --> 01:27:46,719
heard about this thing moving

2168
01:27:52,149 --> 01:27:49,920
um other people have talked about them

2169
01:27:53,910 --> 01:27:52,159
all the time john it was a routine

2170
01:27:55,990 --> 01:27:53,920
experience when uh

2171
01:27:57,910 --> 01:27:56,000
roger lear was doing implant removals

2172
01:27:58,830 --> 01:27:57,920
they would always run away they expected

2173
01:28:07,350 --> 01:27:58,840
it

2174
01:28:09,590 --> 01:28:07,360
now on the top of my ear down to here

2175
01:28:11,430 --> 01:28:09,600
into the earlobe when this when the

2176
01:28:13,430 --> 01:28:11,440
doctor opened it up and tried to touch

2177
01:28:16,229 --> 01:28:13,440
it with the scalp edge of a scalpel

2178
01:28:18,229 --> 01:28:16,239
and and it and and he he was pretty

2179
01:28:20,310 --> 01:28:18,239
surprised you can be sure

2180
01:28:21,669 --> 01:28:20,320
because as i feel it right now it's like

2181
01:28:23,750 --> 01:28:21,679
feels almost like it's part of the

2182
01:28:26,229 --> 01:28:23,760
cartilage it's very stiff and very

2183
01:28:27,669 --> 01:28:26,239
fixed it does not feel in any way

2184
01:28:28,229 --> 01:28:27,679
whatsoever like something that could

2185
01:28:31,669 --> 01:28:28,239
move

2186
01:28:34,390 --> 01:28:31,679
on its own yeah and um

2187
01:28:36,229 --> 01:28:34,400
then a couple days after he obviously

2188
01:28:38,709 --> 01:28:36,239
pulled out he said well i can't

2189
01:28:40,550 --> 01:28:38,719
take this out whatever it is because i'd

2190
01:28:42,550 --> 01:28:40,560
have to cut your whole year off

2191
01:28:46,629 --> 01:28:42,560
and i said no no don't do it i want the

2192
01:28:53,189 --> 01:28:49,910
so i two days later it came up

2193
01:28:56,870 --> 01:28:53,199
back up here annie was always

2194
01:29:00,070 --> 01:28:56,880
dead set against taking it out

2195
01:29:02,149 --> 01:29:00,080
and she made a deal with me

2196
01:29:03,110 --> 01:29:02,159
i often wondered what my wife really

2197
01:29:05,830 --> 01:29:03,120
knew

2198
01:29:06,310 --> 01:29:05,840
she said you you you're so obsessed with

2199
01:29:08,830 --> 01:29:06,320
with it

2200
01:29:10,229 --> 01:29:08,840
and you and it bothers you and you feel

2201
01:29:13,830 --> 01:29:10,239
invaded

2202
01:29:15,030 --> 01:29:13,840
you get one chance if you can get it out

2203
01:29:16,870 --> 01:29:15,040
it's out

2204
01:29:18,229 --> 01:29:16,880
but if it can't if you can't then that's

2205
01:29:20,149 --> 01:29:18,239
your chance and that's what we have to

2206
01:29:22,790 --> 01:29:20,159
agree to and then i'll agree to you

2207
01:29:25,910 --> 01:29:22,800
giving it a shot and so that was what we

2208
01:29:29,110 --> 01:29:25,920
did and i had my one chance and failed

2209
01:29:32,149 --> 01:29:29,120
wow well it's also um

2210
01:29:33,590 --> 01:29:32,159
pretty amazing that uh if you i mean

2211
01:29:35,910 --> 01:29:33,600
along the lines if you had it removed

2212
01:29:37,510 --> 01:29:35,920
you'd probably just get another one

2213
01:29:39,910 --> 01:29:37,520
you know another one would be put in

2214
01:29:40,709 --> 01:29:39,920
this was a very very special thing it

2215
01:29:43,350 --> 01:29:40,719
was

2216
01:29:46,709 --> 01:29:43,360
not put in by aliens at all i remember

2217
01:29:50,390 --> 01:29:46,719
very well when it was put in may of 1989

2218
01:29:51,990 --> 01:29:50,400
um i was lying in bed i was

2219
01:29:53,830 --> 01:29:52,000
not asleep i'd been reading and i was

2220
01:29:55,430 --> 01:29:53,840
just thinking about going to sleep

2221
01:29:57,189 --> 01:29:55,440
and he was asleep beside me and i

2222
01:30:00,070 --> 01:29:57,199
suddenly heard

2223
01:30:01,590 --> 01:30:00,080
a crunching of gravel in the driveway

2224
01:30:04,629 --> 01:30:01,600
there's a car out there

2225
01:30:05,590 --> 01:30:04,639
no lights this is the country house and

2226
01:30:09,110 --> 01:30:05,600
we had a big fat

2227
01:30:12,390 --> 01:30:09,120
gate so i was not amused i my

2228
01:30:14,229 --> 01:30:12,400
immediate reaction was to go for the

2229
01:30:14,709 --> 01:30:14,239
bank of switches beside the bed which

2230
01:30:19,030 --> 01:30:14,719
would

2231
01:30:21,990 --> 01:30:19,040
totally flood light the whole area

2232
01:30:23,110 --> 01:30:22,000
and uh it's not like i wasn't paranoid

2233
01:30:24,709 --> 01:30:23,120
but anyway

2234
01:30:27,350 --> 01:30:24,719
so i was going for the bank of switches

2235
01:30:28,790 --> 01:30:27,360
and i see two people standing at the

2236
01:30:31,430 --> 01:30:28,800
near the foot of the bed a man and a

2237
01:30:33,669 --> 01:30:31,440
woman and i start to go for the benelli

2238
01:30:35,669 --> 01:30:33,679
riot gun that's under the bed

2239
01:30:37,669 --> 01:30:35,679
i do not get that far the next thing i

2240
01:30:41,189 --> 01:30:37,679
know i'm lying on my side

2241
01:30:44,229 --> 01:30:41,199
i can't see i can't move and

2242
01:30:45,110 --> 01:30:44,239
yeah they're pressing me on this side of

2243
01:30:47,030 --> 01:30:45,120
my head

2244
01:30:48,310 --> 01:30:47,040
pressing it into the pillow like in

2245
01:30:50,870 --> 01:30:48,320
waves

2246
01:30:52,629 --> 01:30:50,880
and um the woman's voice is speaking

2247
01:30:54,149 --> 01:30:52,639
very gently i don't know what she was

2248
01:30:57,270 --> 01:30:54,159
saying

2249
01:30:58,709 --> 01:30:57,280
and um that lasts a few minutes i don't

2250
01:31:02,070 --> 01:30:58,719
know how long a few seconds

2251
01:31:04,870 --> 01:31:02,080
30 seconds maybe a minute

2252
01:31:06,709 --> 01:31:04,880
and um there's a big flash of light and

2253
01:31:07,030 --> 01:31:06,719
a crashing in the woods and everything

2254
01:31:08,790 --> 01:31:07,040
is

2255
01:31:10,229 --> 01:31:08,800
everybody's running away from where the

2256
01:31:13,189 --> 01:31:10,239
hell they were oh

2257
01:31:14,390 --> 01:31:13,199
as i woke up i heard a male voice in the

2258
01:31:16,790 --> 01:31:14,400
backyard say

2259
01:31:18,229 --> 01:31:16,800
condition read and you notice something

2260
01:31:21,510 --> 01:31:18,239
about this

2261
01:31:21,990 --> 01:31:21,520
no aliens i may have seen something in

2262
01:31:25,270 --> 01:31:22,000
the

2263
01:31:27,669 --> 01:31:25,280
never been sure that

2264
01:31:28,629 --> 01:31:27,679
but this was done by people yeah you

2265
01:31:31,590 --> 01:31:28,639
said a female

2266
01:31:33,350 --> 01:31:31,600
so a man and a woman yeah here's the

2267
01:31:36,790 --> 01:31:33,360
amazing kicker

2268
01:31:39,990 --> 01:31:36,800
and this to me is totally incredible

2269
01:31:42,470 --> 01:31:40,000
uh after

2270
01:31:44,390 --> 01:31:42,480
recently there was another effort to

2271
01:31:49,189 --> 01:31:44,400
study it

2272
01:31:51,990 --> 01:31:49,199
and uh a lot happened

2273
01:31:53,430 --> 01:31:52,000
including a visit from some people prior

2274
01:31:56,550 --> 01:31:53,440
to the

2275
01:32:00,149 --> 01:31:56,560
uh the the x-ray the

2276
01:32:02,950 --> 01:32:00,159
the c ct scan of it

2277
01:32:03,189 --> 01:32:02,960
wanting to explain how it worked to me

2278
01:32:06,310 --> 01:32:03,199
and

2279
01:32:08,070 --> 01:32:06,320
asking me very specifically not to let

2280
01:32:11,110 --> 01:32:08,080
them take it out

2281
01:32:14,709 --> 01:32:11,120
which i will never do now

2282
01:32:17,189 --> 01:32:14,719
and they told me

2283
01:32:17,830 --> 01:32:17,199
the man who came and he was a human

2284
01:32:20,790 --> 01:32:17,840
being i mean

2285
01:32:21,910 --> 01:32:20,800
these are two people they came at four

2286
01:32:25,590 --> 01:32:21,920
o'clock in the morning

2287
01:32:27,510 --> 01:32:25,600
and um they knocked on the door

2288
01:32:29,510 --> 01:32:27,520
and normally you don't answer the door

2289
01:32:32,550 --> 01:32:29,520
at four o'clock in the morning

2290
01:32:36,709 --> 01:32:32,560
but when you are doing this

2291
01:32:38,870 --> 01:32:36,719
and the knock comes you do answer it

2292
01:32:39,750 --> 01:32:38,880
and i answered the door and they were

2293
01:32:41,350 --> 01:32:39,760
i'd the

2294
01:32:43,189 --> 01:32:41,360
one of the men i had known before i've

2295
01:32:44,229 --> 01:32:43,199
seen him a number of times over the

2296
01:32:45,910 --> 01:32:44,239
years

2297
01:32:48,470 --> 01:32:45,920
so they explained the whole thing to me

2298
01:32:51,189 --> 01:32:48,480
it's all in a new world

2299
01:32:53,430 --> 01:32:51,199
and before he left he said it had been

2300
01:32:56,550 --> 01:32:53,440
invented by a man named constantine

2301
01:32:59,350 --> 01:32:56,560
rawdive and i thought what the heck

2302
01:33:00,790 --> 01:32:59,360
kind of a name is that but then i

2303
01:33:02,470 --> 01:33:00,800
realized the next morning

2304
01:33:04,550 --> 01:33:02,480
wait a minute he didn't he just

2305
01:33:06,629 --> 01:33:04,560
mispronounced it

2306
01:33:09,350 --> 01:33:06,639
it's rotterday that's i know who that is

2307
01:33:12,870 --> 01:33:09,360
constantine rotave so i looked him up

2308
01:33:16,790 --> 01:33:12,880
and he's

2309
01:33:20,709 --> 01:33:16,800
the evp specialist the master of evp

2310
01:33:23,189 --> 01:33:20,719
who did a lot of work on electronic

2311
01:33:26,709 --> 01:33:23,199
voice communication with the dead

2312
01:33:30,149 --> 01:33:26,719
before he died and after he died too

2313
01:33:32,390 --> 01:33:30,159
coming back the other way and i happened

2314
01:33:35,510 --> 01:33:32,400
to know a man

2315
01:33:38,310 --> 01:33:35,520
who had made a documentary about him

2316
01:33:40,070 --> 01:33:38,320
so i called him up and i described the

2317
01:33:42,390 --> 01:33:40,080
implant and there's a little slit that

2318
01:33:44,390 --> 01:33:42,400
appears in my left in my right eye

2319
01:33:46,790 --> 01:33:44,400
and you can see words flashing past in

2320
01:33:48,950 --> 01:33:46,800
it and here this is the one of the

2321
01:33:49,990 --> 01:33:48,960
world's leading experts on constantine

2322
01:33:53,350 --> 01:33:50,000
rotabay

2323
01:33:54,070 --> 01:33:53,360
and what does he say he says oh that's

2324
01:33:55,990 --> 01:33:54,080
funny

2325
01:33:57,669 --> 01:33:56,000
i have a little slit like that in my

2326
01:33:59,350 --> 01:33:57,679
right eye too

2327
01:34:00,950 --> 01:33:59,360
i've wonder i've often wondered what

2328
01:34:04,149 --> 01:34:00,960
that was

2329
01:34:07,990 --> 01:34:04,159
and i said my god you've got an implant

2330
01:34:10,709 --> 01:34:08,000
just like mine somewhere in your head

2331
01:34:14,070 --> 01:34:10,719
and it was placed there because of your

2332
01:34:17,110 --> 01:34:14,080
interest in constantine rotterdam

2333
01:34:19,430 --> 01:34:17,120
wow isn't that fascinating bizarre

2334
01:34:21,430 --> 01:34:19,440
with all lines have lit up like a

2335
01:34:24,470 --> 01:34:21,440
christmas tree so i'm gonna take

2336
01:34:25,750 --> 01:34:24,480
the first call we have uh luis

2337
01:34:27,830 --> 01:34:25,760
calling from california how are you

2338
01:34:30,629 --> 01:34:27,840
doing

2339
01:34:32,310 --> 01:34:30,639
having me on i really appreciate the

2340
01:34:33,990 --> 01:34:32,320
show you're doing tonight

2341
01:34:35,510 --> 01:34:34,000
yeah yeah you have a question for

2342
01:34:38,390 --> 01:34:35,520
whitley

2343
01:34:39,270 --> 01:34:38,400
i do yes uh mr streamer so my question

2344
01:34:41,030 --> 01:34:39,280
was

2345
01:34:42,310 --> 01:34:41,040
first of all thanks for for answering

2346
01:34:43,590 --> 01:34:42,320
these questions in the chat

2347
01:34:45,590 --> 01:34:43,600
a lot of the questions that i put in

2348
01:34:47,510 --> 01:34:45,600
there you've already answered and

2349
01:34:48,790 --> 01:34:47,520
just you being open enough to even

2350
01:34:49,750 --> 01:34:48,800
answer questions like this is really

2351
01:34:51,270 --> 01:34:49,760
cool of you so

2352
01:34:53,109 --> 01:34:51,280
thank you first of all for that but my

2353
01:34:56,550 --> 01:34:53,119
question is have you

2354
01:34:59,350 --> 01:34:56,560
ever had a team of scientists

2355
01:35:00,629 --> 01:34:59,360
live with you say for a year and put all

2356
01:35:02,629 --> 01:35:00,639
sorts of measurable

2357
01:35:04,149 --> 01:35:02,639
devices inside your house outside your

2358
01:35:07,350 --> 01:35:04,159
home and had

2359
01:35:09,830 --> 01:35:07,360
a real scientific study

2360
01:35:12,550 --> 01:35:09,840
done at either your cabin or the home

2361
01:35:15,669 --> 01:35:12,560
that you're at now

2362
01:35:17,189 --> 01:35:15,679
not here but we did have not

2363
01:35:18,629 --> 01:35:17,199
they didn't live with us for a year

2364
01:35:19,510 --> 01:35:18,639
because there was never a budget for

2365
01:35:22,790 --> 01:35:19,520
that

2366
01:35:26,229 --> 01:35:22,800
but uh we had quite a few different

2367
01:35:29,350 --> 01:35:26,239
instances and uh

2368
01:35:31,510 --> 01:35:29,360
this is this has been probably the

2369
01:35:34,790 --> 01:35:31,520
central frustration

2370
01:35:37,669 --> 01:35:34,800
of my life that i have not been able to

2371
01:35:39,910 --> 01:35:37,679
get much of anything on video

2372
01:35:41,109 --> 01:35:39,920
it has been there hasn't been any sort

2373
01:35:43,510 --> 01:35:41,119
of uh

2374
01:35:44,229 --> 01:35:43,520
there hasn't been any sort of academic

2375
01:35:46,870 --> 01:35:44,239
uh

2376
01:35:49,270 --> 01:35:46,880
say university or anything that would

2377
01:35:52,629 --> 01:35:49,280
would take all of that budget on

2378
01:35:56,070 --> 01:35:52,639
no absolutely not the reason is that

2379
01:35:57,430 --> 01:35:56,080
that this is this is rejected knowledge

2380
01:36:00,550 --> 01:35:57,440
there's no one going to pay for

2381
01:36:03,750 --> 01:36:00,560
something they believe is nonsense

2382
01:36:06,709 --> 01:36:03,760
no grants you can't get a grant for it a

2383
01:36:08,550 --> 01:36:06,719
granting expert who was once connected

2384
01:36:11,030 --> 01:36:08,560
with the ford foundation tried for a

2385
01:36:14,470 --> 01:36:11,040
long time to get us grants

2386
01:36:17,109 --> 01:36:14,480
no doing no nothing doing uh

2387
01:36:17,750 --> 01:36:17,119
my final question to you would be do you

2388
01:36:21,109 --> 01:36:17,760
think

2389
01:36:23,990 --> 01:36:21,119
these visitors are measurable

2390
01:36:24,550 --> 01:36:24,000
by any sort of scientific devices be it

2391
01:36:27,189 --> 01:36:24,560
you know

2392
01:36:28,950 --> 01:36:27,199
a different spectrum a visual spectrum

2393
01:36:34,149 --> 01:36:28,960
analyzer or

2394
01:36:39,109 --> 01:36:36,709
that they're elect that there must be

2395
01:36:41,430 --> 01:36:39,119
electronic output

2396
01:36:42,470 --> 01:36:41,440
and i i have a feeling they can be

2397
01:36:45,669 --> 01:36:42,480
measured

2398
01:36:50,070 --> 01:36:45,679
and i have had the thought that if we

2399
01:36:54,229 --> 01:36:50,080
knew how to do it we might be able to

2400
01:36:57,270 --> 01:36:54,239
detect them when we cannot see them

2401
01:36:59,109 --> 01:36:57,280
like the animals in our life our cats

2402
01:37:00,709 --> 01:36:59,119
were well aware of the fact that

2403
01:37:03,990 --> 01:37:00,719
when they were in the house you could

2404
01:37:06,550 --> 01:37:04,000
see the cats watching them move around

2405
01:37:08,709 --> 01:37:06,560
if the cats could do it there's a

2406
01:37:11,910 --> 01:37:08,719
technology that could do it too

2407
01:37:13,430 --> 01:37:11,920
there has to be well i was

2408
01:37:15,189 --> 01:37:13,440
again i appreciate you answering my

2409
01:37:16,790 --> 01:37:15,199
questions and uh yeah i'll let you go on

2410
01:37:19,030 --> 01:37:16,800
to the next call of mine thank you

2411
01:37:20,629 --> 01:37:19,040
hey louise just before before we go to

2412
01:37:23,830 --> 01:37:20,639
the next caller

2413
01:37:25,350 --> 01:37:23,840
this is this is the critically a thing

2414
01:37:28,550 --> 01:37:25,360
to understand because the

2415
01:37:32,470 --> 01:37:28,560
minute we fix this

2416
01:37:36,470 --> 01:37:32,480
in reality in our reality

2417
01:37:39,750 --> 01:37:36,480
the world changes the visitors know that

2418
01:37:41,750 --> 01:37:39,760
and that's why they've been so coy and

2419
01:37:43,109 --> 01:37:41,760
made it so difficult for me i know it

2420
01:37:45,189 --> 01:37:43,119
too i know

2421
01:37:46,870 --> 01:37:45,199
that if i could get them on my camera

2422
01:37:49,669 --> 01:37:46,880
out there in the living room for

2423
01:37:50,550 --> 01:37:49,679
a couple of minutes it would change the

2424
01:37:54,390 --> 01:37:50,560
world

2425
01:37:56,629 --> 01:37:54,400
i know that and they do too and and

2426
01:37:57,669 --> 01:37:56,639
if they are ever ready to do it they'll

2427
01:38:00,870 --> 01:37:57,679
do it from

2428
01:38:02,629 --> 01:38:00,880
with me or with who knows who and what

2429
01:38:03,910 --> 01:38:02,639
knows they always do everything in very

2430
01:38:07,350 --> 01:38:03,920
surprising and

2431
01:38:08,229 --> 01:38:07,360
unexpected ways but i'm not even sure we

2432
01:38:11,350 --> 01:38:08,239
want that

2433
01:38:14,790 --> 01:38:11,360
it might be that we don't want it

2434
01:38:16,709 --> 01:38:14,800
you know but anyway but go ahead

2435
01:38:21,189 --> 01:38:16,719
let's go now we have a jordan calling

2436
01:38:24,709 --> 01:38:23,910
hey i'm doing great how are you where

2437
01:38:26,149 --> 01:38:24,719
are you in uh

2438
01:38:28,229 --> 01:38:26,159
it sounds like you're talking in a soup

2439
01:38:31,750 --> 01:38:28,239
can

2440
01:38:32,790 --> 01:38:31,760
what is what is uh you got your phone

2441
01:38:35,030 --> 01:38:32,800
is that your phone are you on

2442
01:38:38,070 --> 01:38:35,040
speakerphone or something

2443
01:38:39,430 --> 01:38:38,080
no i got you on a headphones any better

2444
01:38:42,229 --> 01:38:39,440
not really but that's okay go ahead you

2445
01:38:44,709 --> 01:38:42,239
got a question for whitley

2446
01:38:46,470 --> 01:38:44,719
yeah i'm very happy to see you on on

2447
01:38:48,470 --> 01:38:46,480
martin show mr street bro i actually

2448
01:38:50,070 --> 01:38:48,480
thank you morning listening i was

2449
01:38:52,070 --> 01:38:50,080
listening to you on a

2450
01:38:53,189 --> 01:38:52,080
old episode of coast to coast from uh

2451
01:38:55,990 --> 01:38:53,199
november of 9

2452
01:38:57,109 --> 01:38:56,000
6. so it's a i feel like i just hopped

2453
01:39:01,030 --> 01:38:57,119
in a time machine

2454
01:39:02,950 --> 01:39:01,040
and now i'm just 20 20.

2455
01:39:04,790 --> 01:39:02,960
i'm in this time machine too and i can't

2456
01:39:07,350 --> 01:39:04,800
get out

2457
01:39:09,590 --> 01:39:07,360
yeah you're just as captivating now as

2458
01:39:12,149 --> 01:39:09,600
you were then i'm also a massive fan of

2459
01:39:14,470 --> 01:39:12,159
your writing communion is a holds a

2460
01:39:16,790 --> 01:39:14,480
special spot on my bookshelf so i i

2461
01:39:19,590 --> 01:39:16,800
thank you for everything you've done for

2462
01:39:21,109 --> 01:39:19,600
uh people who follow your great work my

2463
01:39:23,270 --> 01:39:21,119
my question for you is

2464
01:39:24,629 --> 01:39:23,280
as someone who's been involved in this

2465
01:39:27,109 --> 01:39:24,639
phenomenon for as

2466
01:39:28,870 --> 01:39:27,119
long as you have and seeing things

2467
01:39:30,550 --> 01:39:28,880
change over the years like what i'd like

2468
01:39:34,070 --> 01:39:30,560
to hear you talk about

2469
01:39:36,550 --> 01:39:34,080
is during your time engaged with

2470
01:39:38,629 --> 01:39:36,560
with them and following this phenomenon

2471
01:39:40,629 --> 01:39:38,639
what are kind of the key moments and the

2472
01:39:43,750 --> 01:39:40,639
most exciting times you've uh

2473
01:39:45,430 --> 01:39:43,760
you've lived through during this oh

2474
01:39:48,070 --> 01:39:45,440
there's no one time that's been more

2475
01:39:50,550 --> 01:39:48,080
exciting i think uh

2476
01:39:52,830 --> 01:39:50,560
well i think that some of the some of

2477
01:39:54,390 --> 01:39:52,840
the direct encounters have been very

2478
01:39:57,510 --> 01:39:54,400
extraordinary

2479
01:39:59,109 --> 01:39:57,520
actually there was one a few months ago

2480
01:40:00,310 --> 01:39:59,119
here in the apartment where one of the

2481
01:40:03,669 --> 01:40:00,320
little bitty

2482
01:40:06,870 --> 01:40:03,679
gray people showed up and uh

2483
01:40:11,109 --> 01:40:06,880
that was really

2484
01:40:14,790 --> 01:40:11,119
uh really remarkable

2485
01:40:17,109 --> 01:40:14,800
it only lasted a few seconds but

2486
01:40:20,070 --> 01:40:17,119
it was that was when i saw the

2487
01:40:22,629 --> 01:40:20,080
handwriting that i described earlier

2488
01:40:24,470 --> 01:40:22,639
and that was a pretty peak experience

2489
01:40:25,990 --> 01:40:24,480
because i have had so little physical

2490
01:40:30,229 --> 01:40:26,000
contact with them

2491
01:40:32,870 --> 01:40:30,239
except for the first couple of times and

2492
01:40:33,669 --> 01:40:32,880
then um then they they wake me up at

2493
01:40:37,669 --> 01:40:33,679
night

2494
01:40:39,350 --> 01:40:37,679
all the time and it's a routine they'll

2495
01:40:41,189 --> 01:40:39,360
they want me to do that three o'clock

2496
01:40:44,229 --> 01:40:41,199
meditation and

2497
01:40:47,270 --> 01:40:44,239
being the kind of person i am

2498
01:40:49,590 --> 01:40:47,280
i'm not going to set an alarm i'm going

2499
01:40:50,550 --> 01:40:49,600
to do it organically because i want them

2500
01:40:55,270 --> 01:40:50,560
to

2501
01:40:57,189 --> 01:40:55,280
if they're waking me up

2502
01:40:58,870 --> 01:40:57,199
i want them to do it i want the

2503
01:41:04,070 --> 01:40:58,880
engagement

2504
01:41:06,950 --> 01:41:04,080
and so that happens all the time and

2505
01:41:08,310 --> 01:41:06,960
he but here's the thing if i put a

2506
01:41:11,669 --> 01:41:08,320
camera

2507
01:41:13,990 --> 01:41:11,679
in the bedroom it doesn't happen

2508
01:41:16,310 --> 01:41:14,000
does not happen the camera does not turn

2509
01:41:19,430 --> 01:41:16,320
off and it does not happen

2510
01:41:24,149 --> 01:41:19,440
i had a this is on my phone i had

2511
01:41:28,709 --> 01:41:24,159
a little uh a thing called

2512
01:41:32,229 --> 01:41:28,719
sleep talk an app and the first

2513
01:41:35,430 --> 01:41:32,239
few times i used it i

2514
01:41:39,030 --> 01:41:35,440
did pick stuff up and i think it's

2515
01:41:42,149 --> 01:41:39,040
i i put most of it on my website and

2516
01:41:45,510 --> 01:41:42,159
it's incredibly eerie

2517
01:41:49,350 --> 01:41:45,520
uh you can hear them talking

2518
01:41:52,950 --> 01:41:49,360
about me people human voices

2519
01:41:58,070 --> 01:41:52,960
and uh to me and me talking to them

2520
01:42:01,510 --> 01:41:58,080
and here's the thing that's so amazing

2521
01:42:03,750 --> 01:42:01,520
i you hear me say one night when

2522
01:42:05,189 --> 01:42:03,760
one of them apparently walks into the

2523
01:42:08,709 --> 01:42:05,199
room

2524
01:42:12,830 --> 01:42:08,719
i'm awakened and i go

2525
01:42:17,270 --> 01:42:12,840
oh and then i say

2526
01:42:24,790 --> 01:42:20,950
uh some something like

2527
01:42:33,510 --> 01:42:29,990
oh mature please teach me

2528
01:42:34,950 --> 01:42:33,520
and i call this entity a name mature but

2529
01:42:36,550 --> 01:42:34,960
i don't know that

2530
01:42:38,470 --> 01:42:36,560
i don't know you asked i was asked

2531
01:42:40,870 --> 01:42:38,480
earlier about names and i said

2532
01:42:41,669 --> 01:42:40,880
no names but there this is someone i

2533
01:42:43,990 --> 01:42:41,679
knew well

2534
01:42:46,870 --> 01:42:44,000
you can tell and enjoyed being with you

2535
01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:46,880
can hear it in my voice

2536
01:42:49,990 --> 01:42:48,880
it's so i mean can you imagine living

2537
01:42:53,189 --> 01:42:50,000
like this

2538
01:42:55,350 --> 01:42:53,199
talking about tantalizing i've got voice

2539
01:42:58,790 --> 01:42:55,360
recordings and i've got

2540
01:43:00,390 --> 01:42:58,800
everything except the final thing like

2541
01:43:02,790 --> 01:43:00,400
right now

2542
01:43:04,470 --> 01:43:02,800
there's something unusual is happening

2543
01:43:07,669 --> 01:43:04,480
if you look at this year

2544
01:43:10,870 --> 01:43:07,679
i it's let me try to try to

2545
01:43:13,750 --> 01:43:10,880
make myself do yeah i can't do it you

2546
01:43:17,990 --> 01:43:15,750
you can see there's definitely that ear

2547
01:43:21,910 --> 01:43:18,000
is red that's for sure

2548
01:43:25,590 --> 01:43:24,550
it's not very red i don't think no i

2549
01:43:28,629 --> 01:43:25,600
can't see

2550
01:43:30,790 --> 01:43:28,639
now this year

2551
01:43:33,030 --> 01:43:30,800
is it much redder there's definitely a

2552
01:43:36,709 --> 01:43:33,040
difference in color yes

2553
01:43:40,550 --> 01:43:36,719
okay that would be the first time

2554
01:43:43,830 --> 01:43:40,560
that has ever been filmed right now

2555
01:43:45,350 --> 01:43:43,840
ever it's been seen many times by many

2556
01:43:48,310 --> 01:43:45,360
people

2557
01:43:49,109 --> 01:43:48,320
uh but it's never been filmed before uh

2558
01:43:52,229 --> 01:43:49,119
i'll do it again

2559
01:43:53,750 --> 01:43:52,239
so we can get it on there that is what

2560
01:43:55,350 --> 01:43:53,760
the implant looks like when it's

2561
01:43:58,790 --> 01:43:55,360
transmitting at a relatively

2562
01:43:59,350 --> 01:43:58,800
low level it can get much brighter and

2563
01:44:02,550 --> 01:43:59,360
much

2564
01:44:05,990 --> 01:44:02,560
hotter i'll tell you what happened once

2565
01:44:08,550 --> 01:44:06,000
at southwest research in texas

2566
01:44:11,590 --> 01:44:08,560
it turned on in the office of the head

2567
01:44:15,669 --> 01:44:11,600
of material science william mallow

2568
01:44:21,910 --> 01:44:19,430
it yeah this year it turned bright red

2569
01:44:24,310 --> 01:44:21,920
and he rushed me into a signals

2570
01:44:27,590 --> 01:44:24,320
acquisition lab

2571
01:44:29,270 --> 01:44:27,600
and i sat in there and they

2572
01:44:31,590 --> 01:44:29,280
did what they did you you were just

2573
01:44:32,229 --> 01:44:31,600
sitting in a silenced room you know and

2574
01:44:34,950 --> 01:44:32,239
then after

2575
01:44:37,830 --> 01:44:34,960
we left and i said to bill did they pick

2576
01:44:39,350 --> 01:44:37,840
up a signal he said yes i think they did

2577
01:44:41,109 --> 01:44:39,360
and that was all he would say because

2578
01:44:42,870 --> 01:44:41,119
the southwest is

2579
01:44:46,550 --> 01:44:42,880
heavily involved with the cia and i

2580
01:44:53,910 --> 01:44:49,590
three years ago i'm at a at a

2581
01:44:56,470 --> 01:44:53,920
a library event in san antonio

2582
01:44:58,310 --> 01:44:56,480
and uh suddenly a couple of guys walk up

2583
01:45:00,629 --> 01:44:58,320
to me and said mr strieber

2584
01:45:01,510 --> 01:45:00,639
we just wanted you to know that the

2585
01:45:04,229 --> 01:45:01,520
signal

2586
01:45:05,430 --> 01:45:04,239
that we got from your implant all those

2587
01:45:07,910 --> 01:45:05,440
years ago

2588
01:45:09,750 --> 01:45:07,920
remains the single strangest signal that

2589
01:45:13,669 --> 01:45:09,760
we have under study

2590
01:45:17,830 --> 01:45:13,679
and they walked away interesting

2591
01:45:19,910 --> 01:45:17,840
wow uh jordan anything else

2592
01:45:22,709 --> 01:45:19,920
the only other thing i'd be curious to

2593
01:45:24,310 --> 01:45:22,719
hear you talking about mr strippers

2594
01:45:26,550 --> 01:45:24,320
the connection you have with them and

2595
01:45:29,830 --> 01:45:26,560
the communication you have with them

2596
01:45:32,790 --> 01:45:29,840
is that affected in any way by

2597
01:45:35,270 --> 01:45:32,800
your need to almost defend yourself from

2598
01:45:39,109 --> 01:45:35,280
like naysayers like i feel like um

2599
01:45:41,669 --> 01:45:39,119
you're often needing to almost um

2600
01:45:42,709 --> 01:45:41,679
back yourself up on all of this being

2601
01:45:44,709 --> 01:45:42,719
real and true

2602
01:45:45,990 --> 01:45:44,719
like does that affect your ability to

2603
01:45:49,270 --> 01:45:46,000
communicate with them

2604
01:45:52,470 --> 01:45:49,280
in the relationship you have with them

2605
01:45:54,070 --> 01:45:52,480
boy you're hard to hear

2606
01:45:55,750 --> 01:45:54,080
yeah it's hard to hear that jordan i'm

2607
01:45:58,709 --> 01:45:55,760
sorry to say but um

2608
01:46:00,229 --> 01:45:58,719
i think he was basically saying at all i

2609
01:46:01,030 --> 01:46:00,239
think he was basically saying do you

2610
01:46:04,709 --> 01:46:01,040
have

2611
01:46:05,750 --> 01:46:04,719
um has it affected your relationship

2612
01:46:07,669 --> 01:46:05,760
with them

2613
01:46:08,950 --> 01:46:07,679
uh jordan i don't know if you can talk

2614
01:46:10,229 --> 01:46:08,960
any clearer

2615
01:46:11,910 --> 01:46:10,239
but i think we're gonna have to move on

2616
01:46:12,790 --> 01:46:11,920
to the next caller jordan i'm sorry

2617
01:46:15,510 --> 01:46:12,800
about that

2618
01:46:17,109 --> 01:46:15,520
thank you any better martin we just

2619
01:46:20,149 --> 01:46:17,119
can't understand you

2620
01:46:22,550 --> 01:46:20,159
it's hard to understand yeah

2621
01:46:23,910 --> 01:46:22,560
it might just be a bad connection uh but

2622
01:46:25,350 --> 01:46:23,920
thank you jordan and i'll talk to you

2623
01:46:28,790 --> 01:46:25,360
soon

2624
01:46:30,870 --> 01:46:28,800
thank you all right um why don't we take

2625
01:46:32,950 --> 01:46:30,880
this uh last caller and make that

2626
01:46:34,629 --> 01:46:32,960
uh the last call of the evening we have

2627
01:46:37,669 --> 01:46:34,639
uh uh let's see

2628
01:46:40,950 --> 01:46:37,679
we have seven minutes left so ron

2629
01:46:43,510 --> 01:46:40,960
from minnesota welcome to the show ron

2630
01:46:44,870 --> 01:46:43,520
hi martin and and great show thank you

2631
01:46:48,310 --> 01:46:44,880
for being a guest

2632
01:46:51,510 --> 01:46:48,320
oh it's my pleasure as always and uh

2633
01:46:52,790 --> 01:46:51,520
i had a question about manipulation why

2634
01:46:55,590 --> 01:46:52,800
would a manipulate

2635
01:46:56,229 --> 01:46:55,600
us for certain people if you will and

2636
01:47:00,550 --> 01:46:56,239
then

2637
01:47:04,149 --> 01:47:00,560
on the communication and writing

2638
01:47:06,149 --> 01:47:04,159
are they using telepathy auto writing or

2639
01:47:07,669 --> 01:47:06,159
i've heard some people talk about auto

2640
01:47:09,030 --> 01:47:07,679
writing is that

2641
01:47:11,590 --> 01:47:09,040
like what you're doing when you write a

2642
01:47:12,070 --> 01:47:11,600
book or are you doing this on your own

2643
01:47:16,629 --> 01:47:12,080
words

2644
01:47:19,990 --> 01:47:16,639
and i guess i'll hear your answer

2645
01:47:21,189 --> 01:47:20,000
i use the implant to research the books

2646
01:47:23,669 --> 01:47:21,199
and it's

2647
01:47:24,310 --> 01:47:23,679
it's so radically different from

2648
01:47:28,229 --> 01:47:24,320
anything

2649
01:47:28,950 --> 01:47:28,239
we do it's a little hard to explain how

2650
01:47:32,870 --> 01:47:28,960
it works

2651
01:47:35,750 --> 01:47:32,880
but it it opens up a slit

2652
01:47:36,550 --> 01:47:35,760
in my right eye in this eye like this

2653
01:47:39,750 --> 01:47:36,560
and you can see

2654
01:47:42,550 --> 01:47:39,760
words flashing past breakneck speed

2655
01:47:43,430 --> 01:47:42,560
you can't read them when the two men

2656
01:47:46,390 --> 01:47:43,440
came here

2657
01:47:49,430 --> 01:47:46,400
and explained how it worked this is what

2658
01:47:53,910 --> 01:47:49,440
they said about that phenomenon

2659
01:47:57,430 --> 01:47:53,920
that what the implant is doing

2660
01:47:59,750 --> 01:47:57,440
it is finding words

2661
01:48:01,910 --> 01:47:59,760
in my deeper mind which we would call

2662
01:48:04,709 --> 01:48:01,920
the unconscious

2663
01:48:06,709 --> 01:48:04,719
that are relating that my mind is

2664
01:48:08,070 --> 01:48:06,719
relating to what i'm thinking about on

2665
01:48:09,750 --> 01:48:08,080
the surface

2666
01:48:11,189 --> 01:48:09,760
in other words it's bringing my

2667
01:48:14,310 --> 01:48:11,199
unconscious mind

2668
01:48:17,430 --> 01:48:14,320
to the surface but

2669
01:48:19,350 --> 01:48:17,440
not in a way that i could

2670
01:48:21,590 --> 01:48:19,360
could consciously read it but i can pick

2671
01:48:22,070 --> 01:48:21,600
it up even though i don't realize it and

2672
01:48:24,310 --> 01:48:22,080
so

2673
01:48:26,470 --> 01:48:24,320
the way it feels is i suddenly get all

2674
01:48:29,430 --> 01:48:26,480
these fascinating ideas

2675
01:48:30,229 --> 01:48:29,440
it's like having a muse on steroids or

2676
01:48:32,629 --> 01:48:30,239
something and

2677
01:48:34,070 --> 01:48:32,639
that's why i think she back there has

2678
01:48:35,910 --> 01:48:34,080
got something to do with it because she

2679
01:48:37,910 --> 01:48:35,920
was always my muse in this life and i

2680
01:48:40,790 --> 01:48:37,920
think she may still be

2681
01:48:41,669 --> 01:48:40,800
in any case that's one of the ways it

2682
01:48:46,149 --> 01:48:41,679
works

2683
01:48:48,870 --> 01:48:46,159
very fascinating too

2684
01:48:49,990 --> 01:48:48,880
because you you ask a question in your

2685
01:48:53,189 --> 01:48:50,000
mind

2686
01:48:54,870 --> 01:48:53,199
i need to know this or that

2687
01:48:56,470 --> 01:48:54,880
i need to know whether or not that's

2688
01:49:02,550 --> 01:48:56,480
true or this true

2689
01:49:06,550 --> 01:49:05,109
an hour later a day later or that moment

2690
01:49:09,669 --> 01:49:06,560
or something

2691
01:49:14,070 --> 01:49:09,679
something will pop into your life

2692
01:49:17,350 --> 01:49:14,080
that has the answer it's um

2693
01:49:19,270 --> 01:49:17,360
uh in other words it works by

2694
01:49:22,070 --> 01:49:19,280
synchronicity also

2695
01:49:23,030 --> 01:49:22,080
it's a very sophisticated and wonderful

2696
01:49:28,709 --> 01:49:23,040
tool

2697
01:49:32,310 --> 01:49:28,719
and i just hope uh

2698
01:49:35,430 --> 01:49:32,320
i just hope

2699
01:49:36,470 --> 01:49:35,440
that someday it becomes a piece of

2700
01:49:39,830 --> 01:49:36,480
technology that's

2701
01:49:40,310 --> 01:49:39,840
in the hands of mankind because i am

2702
01:49:43,510 --> 01:49:40,320
just

2703
01:49:46,790 --> 01:49:43,520
one little person and i can use it

2704
01:49:47,109 --> 01:49:46,800
somewhat the other person i know who has

2705
01:49:50,229 --> 01:49:47,119
one

2706
01:49:51,270 --> 01:49:50,239
can't use it at all and i just think

2707
01:49:55,669 --> 01:49:51,280
that

2708
01:49:59,270 --> 01:49:55,679
there's a we're right at the edge we're

2709
01:50:03,510 --> 01:49:59,280
standing on the edge of a new world

2710
01:50:06,390 --> 01:50:03,520
and for some reason

2711
01:50:06,870 --> 01:50:06,400
we won't spread our wings or they won't

2712
01:50:10,229 --> 01:50:06,880
or

2713
01:50:13,270 --> 01:50:10,239
we're just hanging here

2714
01:50:14,550 --> 01:50:13,280
boy i wish it would be let's fly that's

2715
01:50:18,149 --> 01:50:14,560
all i can say

2716
01:50:19,990 --> 01:50:18,159
let's fly well well we are right near

2717
01:50:21,750 --> 01:50:20,000
the end and i don't know if you have

2718
01:50:22,470 --> 01:50:21,760
time to even discuss this because we

2719
01:50:25,510 --> 01:50:22,480
only

2720
01:50:29,030 --> 01:50:25,520
is that my

2721
01:50:30,629 --> 01:50:29,040
wait two minutes is too short alex to

2722
01:50:32,629 --> 01:50:30,639
tell a story about the guy that was

2723
01:50:35,910 --> 01:50:32,639
stalking your house and

2724
01:50:39,669 --> 01:50:35,920
well he stalked that he lived in the

2725
01:50:41,030 --> 01:50:39,679
woods behind the cabin he followed us to

2726
01:50:43,910 --> 01:50:41,040
texas

2727
01:50:47,669 --> 01:50:43,920
are you kidding me oh absolutely not and

2728
01:50:50,870 --> 01:50:47,679
ended up standing in a little cul-de-sac

2729
01:50:52,790 --> 01:50:50,880
beside the condo and he he

2730
01:50:54,629 --> 01:50:52,800
wandered around in the condo complex he

2731
01:50:56,709 --> 01:50:54,639
looked like a child he was only

2732
01:50:57,830 --> 01:50:56,719
he looked like an 11 year old about that

2733
01:51:01,830 --> 01:50:57,840
size

2734
01:51:04,390 --> 01:51:01,840
and he would do weird things like he

2735
01:51:07,270 --> 01:51:04,400
climbed up a wall and got onto a

2736
01:51:09,350 --> 01:51:07,280
balcony and pulled the spikes the spokes

2737
01:51:12,310 --> 01:51:09,360
out of people's bicycle tires on the

2738
01:51:14,070 --> 01:51:12,320
second floor and a man saw him hop off

2739
01:51:15,589 --> 01:51:14,080
of another balcony into a swimming pool

2740
01:51:17,910 --> 01:51:15,599
which you couldn't do

2741
01:51:19,669 --> 01:51:17,920
because you know you needed you'd have

2742
01:51:20,550 --> 01:51:19,679
to take a run but there was no room to

2743
01:51:23,589 --> 01:51:20,560
run he

2744
01:51:25,669 --> 01:51:23,599
popped like a jack in the box and people

2745
01:51:26,070 --> 01:51:25,679
called texas social services because

2746
01:51:27,669 --> 01:51:26,080
they

2747
01:51:29,589 --> 01:51:27,679
you know there's a funeral child around

2748
01:51:32,790 --> 01:51:29,599
here and it's a very weird deal

2749
01:51:34,790 --> 01:51:32,800
and um

2750
01:51:37,510 --> 01:51:34,800
did you ever ever have a conversation

2751
01:51:41,510 --> 01:51:37,520
directly with him

2752
01:51:45,270 --> 01:51:41,520
uh yeah one time

2753
01:51:47,910 --> 01:51:45,280
uh i asked him he was sitting on the

2754
01:51:48,950 --> 01:51:47,920
on the on the steps in front of our

2755
01:51:52,070 --> 01:51:48,960
condo

2756
01:51:54,550 --> 01:51:52,080
and i asked him if i could help him he

2757
01:51:59,189 --> 01:51:58,229
that was it wow uh whitley so we are out

2758
01:52:02,149 --> 01:51:59,199
of time now

2759
01:52:03,910 --> 01:52:02,159
but uh people can get your book i have

2760
01:52:07,109 --> 01:52:03,920
it right here in front of me

2761
01:52:10,470 --> 01:52:07,119
a new world um and it's on your

2762
01:52:12,550 --> 01:52:10,480
let me just pull up my picture and uh

2763
01:52:17,109 --> 01:52:12,560
it's on your website

2764
01:52:19,030 --> 01:52:17,119
yes which is unknowncountry.com

2765
01:52:21,510 --> 01:52:19,040
and uh willie i really appreciate it

2766
01:52:25,109 --> 01:52:21,520
it's been a really interesting evening

2767
01:52:28,149 --> 01:52:25,119
well thank you i martin i'm very

2768
01:52:29,270 --> 01:52:28,159
happy to be here yes all right and you

2769
01:52:31,270 --> 01:52:29,280
take care of yourself

2770
01:52:33,270 --> 01:52:31,280
and uh and thank you we'll be in touch

2771
01:52:36,229 --> 01:52:33,280
because we we have some

2772
01:52:37,109 --> 01:52:36,239
uh a little bit of business to do i'll

2773
01:52:38,709 --> 01:52:37,119
take a look at your

2774
01:52:40,550 --> 01:52:38,719
artwork and things like that so you take

2775
01:52:43,750 --> 01:52:40,560
care okay

2776
01:52:45,669 --> 01:52:43,760
all right bye all right everyone so that

2777
01:52:47,189 --> 01:52:45,679
is it for the show this evening thank

2778
01:52:48,950 --> 01:52:47,199
you so much for

2779
01:52:51,270 --> 01:52:48,960
watching and listening remember if you

2780
01:52:53,589 --> 01:52:51,280
want to watch the live stream tomorrow

2781
01:52:55,030 --> 01:52:53,599
uh all you have to do is go um on the

2782
01:52:56,470 --> 01:52:55,040
youtube channel you'll see it there

2783
01:52:59,430 --> 01:52:56,480
there's two live streams

2784
01:53:00,470 --> 01:52:59,440
coming up and uh one with philip mantle

2785
01:53:04,229 --> 01:53:00,480
and one with

2786
01:53:04,950 --> 01:53:04,239
uh david clarke dr david clark uh both

2787
01:53:07,589 --> 01:53:04,960
from uh

2788
01:53:07,990 --> 01:53:07,599
over in england so thanks again everyone

2789
01:53:14,590 --> 01:53:08,000
and